Spherical thermodynamical chamber

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a spherical chamber containing gas at varying pressures due to condensation on a cold surface. The original poster seeks to determine the time it takes for the gas to reach a new pressure, p2, given initial conditions and parameters such as molar mass and the universal gas constant.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive a relationship for the number of gas molecules hitting the cold surface over time, but expresses confusion regarding the initial number of molecules. Some participants suggest writing a differential equation for pressure over time using the ideal gas law.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the formulation of a differential equation related to pressure and discussing the implications of initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach yet.

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There is a noted assumption that the initial number of molecules is zero, which some participants question. The discussion also involves the ideal gas law and the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature in the context of the problem.

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In a spherical chamber with volume V , which contains a gas with pressure p1, there is a surface that has a much more low temperature than the other surface temperature of the sphere surface( which is kept constant). Because of that the particles that hit the coresponding surface S will condensate on it. We know: molar mass, universal gas constant, and neglate the liquid formation from condensation.

After how much time will the gas have another pressure, let's call it p2?

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The number of molecules that hit the cold surface in a time interval dt is:

dN = n * dV , where dV= v * dt * S, v= root mean square velocity ; n= molcule volumetric concentration ( m^-3)

For that dt we can keep n constant so : n=N/V => dN/N= v* dt* S / V, and here is my problem...

I can't integrate this because I would say that the intitial number of molecules is 0. Any ideas?

Thank you[/B]
 
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You nearly have it. But why do you think that the number of molecules at t=0 is zero?

Really what you want to do is write a differential equation for the pressure as a function of time, P(t) . Use the ideal gas law, and the pressure at t=0, P(0). It should look something like so.

## \frac{dP(t)}{dt} = - \text{const} P(t)##

And you should be able to solve that pretty easily. So can you work out what "const" should be here?
 
I'm stuck at something...

from ideal gas equation:

dp/dt * V = dN/dt * m/M * R*T ; m-molecule mass; M=molar mass

What is dN/dt? dN/dt = -N * v * S / V ?
 
yes, I think that's the answer:

so: N = p*V/R*T => dN/dt = - p * v * S/ R * T => const = v*S*m*v / M*V
 

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