Spin Matrices & Higher Spin Tensors: Find Answers Here

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of higher spin tensors, particularly their total symmetry and the associated spin matrices. Participants explore the counting of degrees of freedom, constraints like transversality and tracelessness, and the conditions for irreducibility of tensors in the context of higher spin theory.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why higher spin tensors are totally symmetric, suggesting a connection to spin matrices.
  • Another participant proposes that the total symmetry relates to counting degrees of freedom, referencing lecture notes on higher spin theory.
  • A claim is made regarding the number of independent components of a totally symmetric tensor and its discrepancy with the expected degrees of freedom.
  • Participants discuss the implications of constraints such as transversality and tracelessness on the degrees of freedom and irreducibility conditions.
  • References to specific equations and notes are provided to clarify the relationship between these constraints and the elimination of unwanted states.
  • One participant expresses a desire for clearer proofs of irreducibility conditions for tensors and shares a thesis as a potential resource.
  • Another participant offers a heuristic explanation of the relationship between the Lorentz algebra and SU(2) representations, emphasizing the role of tracelessness in achieving irreducibility.
  • Additional resources, including lecture notes and papers, are shared to aid understanding of the irreducibility issue using Young tableaux.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the concepts discussed, with no consensus reached on the specifics of irreducibility conditions or the implications of the constraints mentioned.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity and lack of clear expositions in existing literature on the topic, indicating a potential gap in accessible resources for physicists.

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i can't find on internet why higher spin tensors are totally simetric. know this anyone ?

I think that is connected to spin matrices.
 
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I think it has to do with a counting of degrees of freedom, which is explained in every set of lecture notes on higher spin theory, e.g. the ones by Sorokin, "Introduction to the Classical Theory of Higher Spins". It's been a while since I've been into this stuff, but I strongly recommend to take a specificif reference and be more explicit if you want people to help you ;)
 
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Ok there is s-covariant totally symmetric tensor T with indices m1,m2,...,ms, 1<=mi<=4 there is (4+s-1)!/((s!)*(4+s-1-4) independent components! This result is non equal to 2s+1 degrees of freedom(independent components, why ?
 
Because you impose extra constraints.

Do you know e.g. how to count degrees of freedom on- and ofshell for spin 0,1,2?
 
Yes, I read this. But problem is transversality and traceless condition. Is transversality and traceless condition in conection with irreducibility condition ? If yes, then where I can find irreducibility conditions for tensors ?
 
As I read in Sagnotti's notes, eqn. 2.1:

For any given s, the first member of the sets (2.1) and (2.2) defines the mass–shell, the second eliminates
unwanted “time” components, and finally the last confines the available excitations to irreducible multiplets.

So I guess the divergenceless condition removes ghosts (negative norm states), and the tracelessness condition gives you an irrep. Heuristically, this is to be expected, since for rotations every representation can be written as the direct sum of three irreps: the trace, the antisymmetric part and the traceless-symmetric part.

For spin 2, you can consult

https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.3735
For some representation theory, maybe Zee's QFT-book is nice. But I must admit I've never seen really clear expositions of this kind of stuff. I only know it handwavingly since I've never had to use it in my own research.
 
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Ok, this is clearer. Where I can find proof of conditions for irreducibility of tensors ? Thanks !
 
I found a counting argument in the following thesis, chapter 2:

tesi.cab.unipd.it/45482/1/Alessandro_Agugliaro.pdfIf I google, I find often references to the original papers of Fierz, Pauli and Fronsdal. To be honest, I've never seen clear expositions of this representation-stuff aimed at physicists without an overload of mathematical jargon or notation. As I said, Zee has a nice appendix about group theory and building irreducible representations. I also like the exposure of Srednicki's QFT-book.

A very heuristic explanation as I remember it from the top of my head (someone correct me if I'm wrong!): in four dimensions, the (complexified) Lorentz algebra is isomorphic to the product of two SU(2) (complexified) algebra's. That's why for instance the vector representation can be written as the product of two fundamental SU(2) representations. However, these products as such are often not irreducible and also contain other spin-representations. With the tracelessness condition you eliminate those lower spin parts.

Maybe these lecture notes,

www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/ho/GNotes.pdfare helpful, but as I said, I've been struggling with this stuff myself and never found any decent notes myself.
 

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