Spinning ice skater (angular momentum)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a figure skater's angular momentum and moment of inertia as she changes her arm position while spinning. The problem is situated within the context of rotational motion and conservation of angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the conservation of angular momentum and moment of inertia calculations. There is confusion regarding the correct application of the parallel-axis theorem and how to adjust the moment of inertia for the skater's arms when they are raised.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the use of the parallel-axis theorem and its implications for the moment of inertia calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problem, with participants questioning the initial calculations and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express frustration with the complexities of rotational motion and the calculations involved, indicating a challenging aspect of the homework problem. There is also mention of specific values and parameters related to the skater's mass and dimensions that are critical to the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 45 kg figure skater is spinning on the toes of her skates at 1.0 rev/s. Her arms are outstretched as far as they will go. In this orientation, the skater can be modeled as a cylindrical torso (40 kg, 20 cm average diameter, 160 cm tall) plus two rod-like arms (2.5 kg each, 66 cm long) attached to the outside of the torso. The skater then raises her arms straight above her head, where she appears to be a 45 kg, 20 cm diameter, 200 cm-tall cylinder.


Homework Equations


Conservation of angular momentum
Moment of Inertia

The Attempt at a Solution



Li = (Ib + 2(Ia))wi
wi = 6.2831 rad/s
Ib = (1/2)(40)(.1)(.1)
Ia = (1/3)(2.5)(.66)2

Lf = (If)(wf)
If = (1/2)(45)(.1)2

Li = Lf

Solve for wf

wf = (.926)(6.2831)/(.225)

Any ideas where I went wrong?
 
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The arms are attached at the outside of the torso, so I_a is wrong.
 
Okay, I get that I should use the parallel-axis theorem, but I'm a little confused about how to apply it.

Would it be the moment of inertia as I calculated it + the mass of the rod times the radius of the skater's torso?

The definition says that you should take the moment of inertia about the center of mass and then add the distance of the new axis (times the mass), so I'm a little confused with the terminology.
 
Cfem said:
Okay, I get that I should use the parallel-axis theorem, but I'm a little confused about how to apply it.

Would it be the moment of inertia as I calculated it + the mass of the rod times the radius of the skater's torso?

No. For the parallel-axis theorem you need the moment of inertia around the center of mass.
(and you add that to the mass of the rod times the square of the distance from the center of mass to the axis of rotation
 
Ugh.

Ia = (1/12)(2.5)(.12) + 2.5(.432)

Plugging in the new values gives me a final rotational speed of .98 rev/s, which is slower.

I hate rotational motion.
 

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