Spring Force as Centripetal Force?

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The problem involves a mass connected to a spring, set into circular motion on a frictionless surface. Participants are exploring the relationship between the spring force and centripetal force, particularly how the unstretched length of the spring factors into the radius of the circular path.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the spring force and centripetal force, questioning how to define the displacement x in the spring force equation. There is also consideration of whether the radius of the path should equal the unstretched length of the spring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the significance of the unstretched length of the spring and its role in determining the radius of the circular path. Some participants suggest drawing a sketch to clarify the relationship between the unstretched length and the stretched length during motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions of the variables involved, particularly the meaning of the unstretched length in the context of the problem. There is an emphasis on understanding how the spring behaves when the mass is in motion.

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Homework Statement



A 2.1 kg mass is connected to a spring with spring constant k=150 N/m and unstretched length 0.18 m. The pair are mounted on a frictionless air table, with the free end of the spring attached to a frictionless pivot. The mass is set into circular motion at 1.4 m/s. Find the radius of its path.

Homework Equations



Fs= -kx
Fc= mv^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the centripetal force that keeps the mass moving in a circle is provided by the spring, I set Fs = Fc. However, I only equated their magnitudes. Thus, I have this equation:

mv^2/r = kx
r = mv^2 / kx
r = (2.1kg)(1.4m/s)^2 / (150N/m)(0.18m) = 0.15 m

What I am not sure about is the value for x in the equation Fs = -kx. Since the x in the equation is the change in spring length after the spring has been compressed/stretched, the x here should be zero for an unstretched spring. But then, what is the significance of the 0.18 m?

Please let me know if my solution is correct or if I need to change the x.
Thanks in advance!
 
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The force in the spring is kx, where x is the stretched distance beyond the initial 0.18 m unstretched length. So what would be the radius of the path?
 
PhanthomJay said:
The force in the spring is kx, where x is the stretched distance beyond the initial 0.18 m unstretched length. So what would be the radius of the path?

Since the question states that the spring is unstretched, wouldn't the radius of the path be the unstretched length of the spring, which is 0.18 m?
 
The question states that the spring is unstretched before it is set into motion. That 0.18 m is just the length of the spring you bought off the shelf, with no loading on it. Once you set it into motion with the mass on it, it will stretch due to the centripetal force acting on it as caused by the centripetal acceleration. Draw a quick sketch to find the equation of the radius of the circle in terms of the unstretched length and x.
 
PhanthomJay said:
The question states that the spring is unstretched before it is set into motion. That 0.18 m is just the length of the spring you bought off the shelf, with no loading on it. Once you set it into motion with the mass on it, it will stretch due to the centripetal force acting on it as caused by the centripetal acceleration. Draw a quick sketch to find the equation of the radius of the circle in terms of the unstretched length and x.

Ohhhhh, I get it now! the stretched length must be (radius of path - unstretched length) then! Thanks a lot!
 

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