Spring in a groove inside the Earth

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The problem involves a mass released above the Earth's surface that travels into a groove containing a spring inside the Earth. The context includes gravitational potential energy and spring mechanics, with a focus on energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy in the spring-mass system and question the potential energy relationships involved, particularly regarding the gravitational potential energy inside and outside a solid sphere.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of gravitational potential energy and its implications for the problem. Some have offered hints about the differences in gravitational potential energy inside versus outside the Earth, while others are questioning the original poster's calculations and assumptions.

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There is a mention of the need for the original poster to clarify the gravitational potential energy equations applicable in this scenario, as well as the implications of the mass distribution of the Earth.

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Homework Statement


A small ball of mass 'm' is released at a height 'R' above the Earth's surface. The maximum depth of the ball to which it goes is R/2 inside the Earth through a narrow groove before coming to rest momentarily. The groove contains an ideal spring of spring constant K and natural length R. The value of K, if R is the radius of the Earth and M is the mass of the Earth is,

Ans: 7GMm/R^3

Homework Equations


PE= -GMm/R
KE= 1/2 m v^2
PE(of spring)= 1/2 kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Conserving energy of the spring- mass system at point of release (at a distance 2R from the centre of the earth) and when it comes to rest at a distance R/2 from the centre of the earth,
PE(of body initially)=PE(of body finally)+PE(of spring)
-GMm/2R = -2GMm/R + 1/2*k*(R^2/4)
k= 12GMm/R^3

I don't understand what's wrong with my answer.
 
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Must be the PE relationship. Does PE go to infinity if R goes to 0 ?
 
Yeah, it goes to negative infinity.
 
Think again. not all the mass of the Earth is located at the center
 
actually the GPE inside and outside a solid sphere are different.
outside : -GMm/r (r=distance from centre of sphere)
inside: << Formula deleted by Mentor >>
 
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manasi bandhaokar said:
actually the GPE inside and outside a solid sphere are different.
outside : -GMm/r (r=distance from centre of sphere)
inside: << Formula deleted by Mentor >>
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Remember that the student must do the bulk of their homework themselves. It's fine to provide the hint that the equation for the GPE is different inside the Earth compared to outside, but the student is expected to figure out the equation by themselves Thanks..
 

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