Spring on a mass that is held back

In summary, the conversation discusses a body with mass m attached to a spring and pulled upwards until it hits two fixed rods. The reaction force at each rod is calculated to be F_rr = (F_m - mg)/2 pointing downwards. The goal is to measure the force necessary to stretch the spring to a certain amount, and it is determined that the reaction force at the supporting structure, F_w, should always equal -F_s independent of the mass of the body. It is also mentioned that the free body diagram used in the conversation may be misleading and suggests dividing the system into smaller systems for a more accurate representation.
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Hi. I have a question regarding the above image and want to know whether I am right or not. In the image there is a body with mass m and in the middle of the body there is a spring. The body is pulled upwards and then it hits two fixed rods such that the body cannot move upwards any more. Now the spring is stretched to a certain amount delta_x. Now I know the spring force which is F_s = k * delta_x. The body itself has a reaction force F_m = - F_s pointing in the upward direction. On the other hand gravity still pulls the body downwards: F_g = m*g. All in all the reaction force at each rod is F_rr = (F_m - mg)/2 pointing in the downward direction.

My goal however is to measure the force that is necessary to stretch the spring to the amount delta_x. I can measure the reaction force F_w and it should always equal -F_s independent of the mass of the body. Am I right?
 
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helmi_xyz said:
My goal however is to measure the force that is necessary to stretch the spring to the amount delta_x. I can measure the reaction force F_w and it should always equal -F_s independent of the mass of the body. Am I right?
Yes. The force ##F_w## at the supporting structure is always equal in magnitude compared to the spring force ##F_s## because these two forces are an action-reaction pair (Newton's third law).

By the way, your free body diagram is a bit misleading since you have both internal and external forces in your system. A properly drawn free body diagram should only include external forces. Divide your system into multiple smaller systems (=multiple free body diagrams) such that internal forces of interest become external forces in the smaller systems.

I have seen these improper free body diagrams in physics textbooks also, so this "mistake" is actually quite common. :smile:
 

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