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The discussion centers on the mechanics of a mass-spring system where a mass m is held by fixed rods, preventing upward movement. The spring force is defined as F_s = k * delta_x, while the gravitational force is F_g = m * g. The reaction force at the rods is calculated as F_rr = (F_m - mg)/2, directed downward. It is confirmed that the measured reaction force F_w equals -F_s, adhering to Newton's third law, despite the complexities introduced by internal and external forces in free body diagrams.

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Hi. I have a question regarding the above image and want to know whether I am right or not. In the image there is a body with mass m and in the middle of the body there is a spring. The body is pulled upwards and then it hits two fixed rods such that the body cannot move upwards any more. Now the spring is stretched to a certain amount delta_x. Now I know the spring force which is F_s = k * delta_x. The body itself has a reaction force F_m = - F_s pointing in the upward direction. On the other hand gravity still pulls the body downwards: F_g = m*g. All in all the reaction force at each rod is F_rr = (F_m - mg)/2 pointing in the downward direction.

My goal however is to measure the force that is necessary to stretch the spring to the amount delta_x. I can measure the reaction force F_w and it should always equal -F_s independent of the mass of the body. Am I right?
 
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helmi_xyz said:
My goal however is to measure the force that is necessary to stretch the spring to the amount delta_x. I can measure the reaction force F_w and it should always equal -F_s independent of the mass of the body. Am I right?
Yes. The force ##F_w## at the supporting structure is always equal in magnitude compared to the spring force ##F_s## because these two forces are an action-reaction pair (Newton's third law).

By the way, your free body diagram is a bit misleading since you have both internal and external forces in your system. A properly drawn free body diagram should only include external forces. Divide your system into multiple smaller systems (=multiple free body diagrams) such that internal forces of interest become external forces in the smaller systems.

I have seen these improper free body diagrams in physics textbooks also, so this "mistake" is actually quite common. :smile:
 

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