Springs are considered a non-conservative force why is the

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of springs as forces, specifically questioning their classification as conservative or non-conservative forces in the context of mechanical energy conservation during spring compression.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of spring forces, questioning the conservation of mechanical energy when a mass compresses a spring due to a bullet impact. There are discussions about the implications of inelastic collisions on energy conservation.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the nature of spring forces and the conditions under which mechanical energy is conserved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the distinction between conservative forces and the behavior of energy in inelastic collisions, though there is no explicit consensus on the classification of spring forces.

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There is a mention of a specific problem involving a bullet compressing a spring, which raises questions about energy conservation in different contexts, particularly inelastic collisions.

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Quick conceptual questions:

Is springs are considered a non-conservative force why is the mechanical energy conserved when a moving object compresses the spring?

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This isn't a homework question or anything but I working on a problem that involves a spring and the problem says that a mass horizontally attached to a spring is moving compressed by a bullet being shot into the mass (wood) and that the mechanical energy is conserved during the compression of the spring. Confused.
 
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mrshappy0 said:
Is springs are considered a non-conservative force why is the mechanical energy conserved when a moving object compresses the spring?
Who said that the spring force is non-conservative?
 


Hmm... Wow.. People troll to much. hah.. So it is conservative.
 


Sure, a spring force is conservative. That's why you can have a spring potential energy function.

But be careful with that 'bullet getting shot into the wood' problem. While the spring compression is conservative, the initial collision of bullet and wood does not conserve kinetic energy: it's an inelastic collision.
 


Right. Potential energy is conserved in inelastic collisions. This allows the use of the potential energy = kinetic energy. THanks Doc!
 


mrshappy0 said:
Potential energy is conserved in inelastic collisions. This allows the use of the potential energy = kinetic energy.
Not exactly! What's conserved in an inelastic collision (and all collisions, actually) is momentum.
 
Oops I meant momentum. Slipped up on my words. To many new concepts flopping around in my word recall section in my brain.
 

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