Square Root of 4: Can it be +2 or -2?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the square root of 4, specifically whether it can be +2 or -2, and the implications of conventions in mathematical definitions. It also touches on the concept of extraneous solutions in the context of imaginary numbers.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the convention that the square root of 4 is defined as +2, suggesting that both +2 and -2 could be valid square roots, with the distinction being a matter of convention.
  • Another participant asserts that the square root of 4 can only be +2, emphasizing that the square root function is defined to yield a single positive value.
  • A participant introduces the concept of extraneous solutions, arguing that squaring both sides of an equation can lead to incorrect conclusions, as seen with the imaginary number i.
  • Further clarification is provided that while x^2 = 4 has two solutions, the notation \sqrt{4} specifically refers to the principal (positive) root, which is +2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the square root of 4, with some asserting it can be both +2 and -2, while others maintain that it is conventionally defined as +2. The discussion on extraneous solutions also highlights differing views on the implications of squaring equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying interpretations of mathematical conventions and definitions, particularly regarding square roots and the handling of extraneous solutions. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the square root in this context.

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Consider square root of 4.

Can square root of 4 be +2 or -2?

I asked that to my math teacher so he said: NO, square root of 4 is +2!

But I can't really understand why it cannot be -2 since -2 squared is also 4. One thing I've imagined is: square root of 4 can be +2 or -2, but for CONVENTION we use +2. Is that right?

There's another question related to that: consider

i^2 = -1

squaring the two sides we obtain

i^4 = 1

so

i = 1

so: can the i (the imaginary number) be 1? I think I'm making a lot of confusion with that, could someone explain me that?

Thank you
 
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The square root of 4 can be +2 or -2, your math teacher is retarded. What you did with the imaginary number results in what I believe is called an extraneous solution (correct me if I'm wrong). If you substitute the 1 back into your original problem i^2=-1, you will find that 1=-1, which is not a true statement, meaning the solution is incorrect.
 
We get these types of questions a lot so it might be worthwhile to run a forum search on this topic to get a very thorough review of it. In fact, I might even say that this question has been discussed ad nauseum :wink:

However, for your first question the, square root of a number is often defined as the principal (or positive) root. This convention is not without reason though; if we would like to have a square root function, the square roots must necessarily be single-valued. Therefore, \sqrt{4} = 2. For a more complicated example, let x be a number such that x^2 = 4, then \sqrt{x^2} = |x| = 2 because \sqrt{x^2} is necessarily positive. Since |x| = 2, this means that x = 2 or x = -2.

For your second question, squaring equations has the unfortunate effect of adding extraneous solutions. Taking your example, clearly i^4 - 1 = 0 in which case (i^2 + 1)(i^2 - 1) = 0. By the zero product property, either i^2 + 1 = 0 or i^2 - 1 = 0 (note that only one of these need hold). From the conventional definition of i we have that i^2 + 1 = 0 and i^2 - 1 = 0 is just an extraneous solution added when we squared the equation.

Hopefully this all makes sense.
 
Thank you for the help guys. Now things make more sense.

PS: next time i'll do a forum search...
 
eg2333 said:
The square root of 4 can be +2 or -2, your math teacher is retarded. What you did with the imaginary number results in what I believe is called an extraneous solution (correct me if I'm wrong). If you substitute the 1 back into your original problem i^2=-1, you will find that 1=-1, which is not a true statement, meaning the solution is incorrect.

If his teacher is retarded, what does that make you? His teacher is completely right. The equation x^2= 4 has two roots. But only one of them is \sqrt{4} because \sqrt{a} is defined as "the positive root of the equation x^2= a".

The reason we have to write the solutions to that equation as "x= \pm\sqrt{a} is that \sqrt{a} alone does NOT mean both solutions. If it did we would not need the "\pm".
 

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