Squaring a vector and subspace axioms

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The discussion revolves around understanding the properties of a set of vectors in Rn, specifically focusing on the conditions that define a subspace. The original poster is trying to clarify the nature of the problem involving vector components and their relationships, particularly the condition v2 = v1^2.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the interpretation of the problem, questioning whether the vectors are being squared or if the components are being defined in a specific way. There is discussion about the closure properties of the set under vector addition and how this relates to the axioms of a subspace.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the interpretation of the vectors and the conditions for subspace. The original poster expresses confusion about the proof provided by another participant, indicating that there is still some uncertainty in understanding the implications of the proof.

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There is a noted assumption that the vectors are components of a vector rather than a matrix of vectors, which influences the interpretation of the problem. The discussion also highlights the need to consider closure under addition when determining if a set is a subspace.

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If a problem I'm doing asks to find

V2 where V is a vector

is it simply the dot product of the vector, or the cross product?

The question: Which of the following sets of vectors v = {v1,...,vn} in Rn are subspaces of Rn (n>=3)

iii) All v such that V2=V12

He proved it by saying it's not closed under addition (axiom of a subspace)

By (1,1,0) + (-1,1,0) = (0,2,0)

And that concludes his proof, but I'm not seeing what he's proved there at all.

Personally I would have done let a = (a1,...,an) and b = (b1,...,bn)

then a+b = (a1+b1,...,an+bn)

and so (a+b)2=(a1+b1,...,an+bn)2=(a1+b1,...,an+bn).(a1+b1,...,an+bn)

= a12+2a1b1+b12+.. (dot product)

Which is a scalar field not a vector field, so it's not closed under addition.

Am I wrong?
 
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They aren't asking you to square the vector. The v's are the components of the vector (v1,v2,v3). The question is take the subset of these vectors such that v2=v1^2. Like (2,4,1) and the first two vectors in your example.
 
Dick said:
They aren't asking you to square the vector.
The v's are the components of the vector (v1,v2,v3). The question is take the subset of these vectors such that v2=v1^2. Like (2,4,1) and the first two vectors in your example.

I was assuming v was a matrix of vectors, and each v1 etc was a vector. hence '...following sets of vectors v = {v1,...,vn}'

I still don't understand the rest, especially his proof
 
It's not supposed to be a matrix. If V is the subset of R^3 such that v2=v1^2, then (1,1,0) (since 1^1=1) and (-1,1,0) (since (-1)^2=1) are in V. Their sum (0,2,0) is not in V since 0^2 is not equal to 2.
 
Dick said:
It's not supposed to be a matrix. If V is the subset of R^3 such that v2=v1^2, then (1,1,0) (since 1^1=1) and (-1,1,0) (since (-1)^2=1) are in V. Their sum (0,2,0) is not in V since 0^2 is not equal to 2.

ok thanks a lot I get it now :)
 

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