Standard Card Question - Probability

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability distribution of points scored in a card drawing game using a standard 52-card deck. Participants explore the probabilities associated with drawing pairs of cards based on suit and numerical value, as well as the mean and standard deviation of the resulting discrete random variable representing points scored. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and probability calculations.

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  • One participant states the probabilities for scoring points as P(0) = .498, P(1) = .332, P(2) = .138, P(3) = .028, P(4) = .004, and expresses uncertainty about how to begin the calculations.
  • Another participant calculates the probability of drawing two cards that do not match in suit or number as 46/51, leading to a probability of 0.814 for scoring 0 points, challenging the initial probabilities provided.
  • A later reply corrects the calculation for scoring 0 points to 36/51 = 12/17, agreeing with P(0) = .498, while providing their own probabilities for P(1), P(2), P(3), and P(4).
  • One participant seeks clarification on the calculation for P(1) and questions the method of obtaining the probability of scoring one point.
  • Another participant explains that to score exactly one point, one must score on one try and score zero on the other, providing a formula for calculating this probability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial probability calculations, with some proposing different values and methods for determining the probabilities associated with scoring points. The discussion remains unresolved as multiple competing views are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants' calculations depend on their interpretations of the game's scoring rules and the probabilities involved in drawing cards, leading to differing conclusions about the probability distribution.

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A standard 52 deck contains 4 different suits with 13 cards in each suit
A player is allowed to draw 2 cards at a time. If a pair of matching in suit is drawn the player receives 1 point, if a pair matching in number is drawn, the plaeyer receives 2 points, otherwise the player gets no points. After the 2 cards are drawn, they are replaced before the next draw of 2 cards. A player is allowed two turns at this game. Let X be the discrete random variable; number of poitns obtained. What is the probability distribution of X and what are its mean and standard deviation?

HELP! PLEASE AND THANK U! the answer is P(0) = .498 p(1) = .332 p(2)=.138 P(3)=.028 p(4) = .004
.708 and .836

I don't even know were to begin!
 
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Drawing two cards, whatever suit is drawn first, there are 51 cards remaining in the deck and 12 of those are the same suit as the first: the probability that they agree in suit is 12/51. Whatever numerical value is drawn, there are 51 cards remaining in the deck and 3 of those are the same number as drawn: the probability that they agree in numerical value is 3/51. The probability that they do not agree in either suit or numerical value is 1- 12/51- 3/51= (51-5)/51= 46/51.
In order to get 0 points, a player must draw two cards and have them agree in neither suit nor value, a probability of 46/51, and then do the same thing again: probability (46/51)(46/51)= 0.814, not .498. I don't know what you mean by "p(4)= .004 .708 and .836".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Drawing two cards, whatever suit is drawn first, there are 51 cards remaining in the deck and 12 of those are the same suit as the first: the probability that they agree in suit is 12/51. Whatever numerical value is drawn, there are 51 cards remaining in the deck and 3 of those are the same number as drawn: the probability that they agree in numerical value is 3/51. The probability that they do not agree in either suit or numerical value is 1- 12/51- 3/51= (51-5)/51= 46/51.
In order to get 0 points, a player must draw two cards and have them agree in neither suit nor value, a probability of 46/51, and then do the same thing again: probability (46/51)(46/51)= 0.814, not .498. I don't know what you mean by "p(4)= .004 .708 and .836".

You made an arithmetical error in your 0 point calculation. It should be 36/51=12/17, so p(0)=.498.
My calculation gives p(1)=.332, p(2)=.138, p(3)=.028, p(4)=.0034.
 
Thank u very much! i understand this all now, excecet can someone please explain further I understand P(1) is saying what is the probability that they get 1 point? Would you not take the probability of getting one point which is .24 (12/51) * .24? I do not udnerstand this part!

THANK U!
 
To get exactly one point, you need to get one point on either try and zero on the other try. Probability to get one point on a given try is 4/17, probability to get no points is 12/17. Net probability therefore is 2x(4/17)x(12/17).
 

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