Standard deviation from grades distribution how am I wrong?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the standard deviation from a given grades distribution of 10, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 6, 6, 4. Participants are examining the correct formula and method for determining the standard deviation, as there seems to be a discrepancy between their calculations and the answer provided in a reference book.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the average and the application of the standard deviation formula. There are questions about whether the correct formula is being used and the implications of using the population versus sample standard deviation. Some participants share their calculations and results, noting discrepancies with the answer book.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the standard deviation formula. Some have provided guidance on the correct approach, while others are questioning the assumptions made in their calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct answer yet.

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Participants are operating under the assumption that the grades provided are accurate and are debating the appropriate method for calculating standard deviation, including the distinction between population and sample calculations.

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Homework Statement



The grades distribution in class is

10, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 6, 6, 4

What's the standard deviation?



The Attempt at a Solution



I found the average is 7 (which is true) and used the formula for standard deviation. I checked it twice on the calculator but I'm still getting the same score, which is wrong. Anyone have a clue?

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Femme_physics said:
I found the average is 7 (which is true) and used the formula for standard deviation. I checked it twice on the calculator but I'm still getting the same score, which is wrong. Anyone have a clue?

What formula do you have for the standard deviation?

You need to divide the sum of squares by the number of grades minus one, before you draw the square root.
 
Maybe I have the wrong formula. The formula is what I used that you see. Each grade minus the average squared, all under a square root.

The sum of the squares is 22.
The sum of all grades minus one is 8
The square root of 22/8 is 1.658

The answer book is going for 1.563
 
Also, there's not a single standard deviation. There's the population standard deviation and there's the sample standard deviation. The formulas for these are different, with sample standard deviation always being a bit larger. The one that I like Serena alluded to is the sample standard deviation.
 
Femme_physics said:
Maybe I have the wrong formula. The formula is what I used that you see. Each grade minus the average squared, all under a square root.

The sum of the squares is 22.
The sum of all grades minus one is 8
The square root of 22/8 is 1.658

The answer book is going for 1.563

You will have the wrong formula then.

What the answer book will have done, is to divide the sum of squares by the number of grades.
[edit] That is the square root of 22/9 [/edit]

This is actually the wrong answer, but it'll do for now, until we get to the fine points of standard deviations.
 
Femme_physics said:
Maybe I have the wrong formula. The formula is what I used that you see. Each grade minus the average squared, all under a square root.

The sum of the squares is 22.
The sum of all grades minus one is 8
The square root of 22/8 is 1.658
That's what I'm getting, too. I don't see anything wrong in what you did. You might check to make sure that the data you show is the same as given in the problem. If it is, I suspect a wrong answer in the book.
Femme_physics said:
The answer book is going for 1.563
 
Good enough for me :) Thanks, great helpers!
 
Femme_physics said:
Maybe I have the wrong formula. The formula is what I used that you see. Each grade minus the average squared, all under a square root.

The sum of the squares is 22.
The sum of all grades minus one is 8
The square root of 22/8 is 1.658

The answer book is going for 1.563

std = sqrt(v), where v = variance. We have v = sum[(x-m)^2,i=1..n)]/n, where m = mean = sum(x,i=1..n)/n. In your case n = 9, and calculation gives m = 7, so v = 22/9, hence std = sqrt(22/9) = 1.564, approx.

RGV
 

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