Standard enthelpy of formation needed for EDTA metal complexes

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The discussion centers on the need for standard enthalpy of formation values for EDTA complexes with sodium (Na+) and potassium (K+) ions in the context of chemical equilibria in a kraft mill bleach plant. The user, Gollegun, is utilizing the van't Hoff equation to account for temperature dependence of formation constants but lacks specific enthalpy data for EDTA-Na and EDTA-K complexes. Other participants confirm that the formation constants for these complexes are relatively small and may not significantly impact the system, suggesting they can be neglected in calculations.

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Hi,

I am trying to solve the chemical equilibria in a kraft mill bleach plant to predict mineral scale deposits. I am using the van't Hoff equation to account for temperature dependence of the formation constants, but I need the enthalpy of reaction for all equilibria and I am missing some data.

What I am missing is data for EDTA complexes with Na+ and K+. I have the std enthalpy of formation for EDTA, Na+ and K+ but in order to get the enthalpy of reaction I also need EDTA-Na and EDTA-K.

Does anyone know where I can find these values?

Kind regards

Gollegun
 
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Formation constants for EDTANa and EDTAK are quite small from what I remember - are you sure they play any important role in the system?
 
Borek said:
Formation constants for EDTANa and EDTAK are quite small from what I remember - are you sure they play any important role in the system?

I just automatically included all the ions of significant concentration. But you are right, the formation constants of Na and K are very low in comparison to other metals such as Ca and Mg - and they can probably be neglected. I'll try this and see how it works out.

Thanks!
 

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