1. Not finding help here? Sign up for a free 30min tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Standard form, vertex form. Something isn't right here

  1. Feb 8, 2015 #1
    I mainly just need some clarification here. I was doing my homework and then browsing the web to find an answer to my problem and came across mathewarehouse' definition of Standard form and then I looked at my homework and went...."huh?" I don't understand if my homework is listening this wrong or mathwarehouse or if I am misunderstanding something.
    Please help

    Here are the two images my hw first:
    DPL4U16.png
    here it is telling me f(x)=x^2+10x+24 is a quadratic function which must be expressed in standard form. But mathewarehouse would leads me to think that it's already in standard form:
    WL9EyPx.png

    What's the deal?
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Feb 8, 2015 #2

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    Looks like f is already in standard form.
     
  4. Feb 8, 2015 #3
    The standard form is expressed by completing the square.

    The vertex is simply the point on the parabola where the graph changes direction, as shown on the graph you posted above, the (h,k) coordinate which is determined from the vertex form equation (complete the square equation of the function).
     
  5. Feb 8, 2015 #4
    I still don't understand. These two things are giving me conflicting ideas. Which is which? Is f(x)=x^2+10x+24 a quadratic function or is standard form? So maybe it's just trying to confuse me? and I just need to put it in twice and then to find the vertex but completing the square aka putting it in vertex form? is that right?

    Is a quadratic function something which is already in standard form?
     
  6. Feb 8, 2015 #5
    An equation can be expressed in standard or vertex form. A quadratic function in standard form is f(x) = a(x - h)2 + k.

    It's just semantics really, albeit confusingly laid out above.

    The standard and vertex equations ( y =) are referred to as standard and vertex respectively and in that sense are not incorrect in what is being shown, however, a quadratic function in standard form is expressed as f(x) = a(x - h)2 + k.

    So in the question you are being asked to express a function in standard form, you complete the square. As with most mathematical questions a follow on effect is used, your answer for (a) is guiding you towards the answer for (b).
     
  7. Feb 8, 2015 #6
    @Jimmy Johnson THANKS A TON! that clears up a lot. This math program I am using likes to be purposely cryptic I think.
     
  8. Feb 9, 2015 #7

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    You need to use whatever definition your program is using for the term "standard form." I don't think many textbooks would call y = a(x - h)2 + k "standard form" but your program seems to be doing this.
     
  9. Feb 9, 2015 #8

    statdad

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper

    No - standard form is the [itex] ax^2 + bx + c [/itex] version, and [itex] a\left(x-h\right)^2 + k [/itex] is the vertex form. Your text is using the names in a non-standard way - as is #5.
     
  10. Feb 9, 2015 #9

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    I agree.
     
  11. Feb 9, 2015 #10
    In most cases of this topic I've seen in textbooks or online the standard form of a quadratic function is expressed in vertex form. However I agree that it is inconsistent throughout different teachings etc.

    "Different textbooks have different interpretations of the reference "standard form" of a quadratic function. Some say f (x) = ax2 + bx + c is "standard form", while others say that f (x) = a(x - h)2 + k is "standard form". To avoid confusion, this site will not refer to either as "standard form", but will reference f (x) = a(x - h)2 + k as "vertex form" and will reference f(x) = ax2 + bx + c by its full statement."

    Nevertheless I think we can all agree that the standard form of this question is looking for the vertex form.
     
  12. Feb 9, 2015 #11

    Ray Vickson

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    No, I don't think we can agree on that. Perhaps the book (or on-line course, or whatever) really does mean that a*x^2 + b*x+c is the standard form, and maybe the question is merely asking the student to recognize that the given function is already in standard form. Sometimes simple exercises like that are given to help firm up a concept in a student's mind, the theory being that repetition helps. However, I would hope that somewhere in the course notes or lectures (or whatever) the concepts of "standard form" and "vertex form" are actually defined.
     
  13. Feb 9, 2015 #12

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    That was my thought, as well.
     
  14. Feb 9, 2015 #13

    SammyS

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    It appears that your quote is from the link: http://mathbitsnotebook.com/Algebra1/Quadratics/QDVertexForm.html .

    I agree with you that the terminology "standard form" for a quadratic function is not standard. I currently teach College Algebra using a textbook by Ron Larson. In my view, it's unfortunate that he refers to the well named "Vertex Form" as the "Standard Form" for quadratic functions. This seems to be a fairly wide-spread practice in these lower level Algebra textbooks. It's rather inconsistent (again, that's in my view) because these same books often refer the "standard form" of a quadratic equation as being: ax2 + bx + c = 0.

    Larson uses the terminology, "General Form" for a quadratic function written as: f(x) = ax2 + bx + c .

    That's my two cents.

    SammyS
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?
Draft saved Draft deleted



Similar Discussions: Standard form, vertex form. Something isn't right here
  1. Standard form problem (Replies: 5)

Loading...