Standard heats of formation (enthelphy, free energy)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of standard heats of formation, specifically why they are defined as zero for pure elements. Participants explore the implications of this definition and the nature of enthalpy as a relative quantity.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the standard heat of formation for pure elements is defined as zero because there is no change in enthalpy when a pure element is formed from itself.
  • Others argue that this definition is misleading, emphasizing that enthalpy is a relative quantity and that the formation of a molecule from atoms involves a change in enthalpy.
  • One participant highlights that the choice of which compounds are assigned a heat of formation of zero is arbitrary and does not imply anything about those compounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the definition of standard heats of formation, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the nature of enthalpy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the absolute nature of enthalpy and the implications of defining standard heats of formation as zero for pure elements.

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Quick question: why are the standard heats of formation 0 for pure elements?
 
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Simply by definition.
 
Ya, it pretty much means there is no change in enthalpy when a pure element (in standard state) is formed. And by definition the standard heat of formation of a substance has to be measured for the reaction where the substance is formed by its constituent elements in their standard states. Obviously a pure element is only made of itself so the change in enthalpy is non-existent.
 
spectre101 said:
Ya, it pretty much means there is no change in enthalpy when a pure element (in standard state) is formed.

Sorry but that's gibberish. Formed from what?

Which is the point. There's no such thing as an absolute enthalpy (or any other energy). It's a relative quantity. If you want to talk about the energy required to form a certain compound, then it must always be relative whatever compound you're forming it from. What particular compounds are chosen to be zero isn't important and doesn't imply anything at all about those compounds.

Obviously a pure element is only made of itself so the change in enthalpy is non-existent.

That's totally misleading. If two atoms combine to form a molecule, then that certainly involves a change in enthalpy!
 

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