Standing Wave Period for Third Harmonic Oscillation

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The discussion revolves around a rope oscillating in a standing wave pattern, specifically focusing on the transition from a second-harmonic to a third-harmonic oscillation. Participants are examining the implications of this change on the period of oscillation, given the rope's tension and displacement equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the correct application of the formula for the period of oscillation and question the assumptions regarding the rope's length remaining constant when transitioning to the third harmonic. There is also exploration of how the wavelength and speed of the wave are affected by this change.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding the relationship between the second and third harmonics, with some participants confirming the consistency of the rope's length and tension. The discussion includes attempts to reconcile the calculations for speed and wavelength in the context of the harmonic transition.

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Participants note that the given parameters are based on the second harmonic, which raises questions about how these parameters apply to the third harmonic scenario. There is a focus on ensuring that the correct relationships between wavelength, frequency, and speed are maintained throughout the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A rope, under a tension of 209 N and fixed at both ends, oscillates in a second-harmonic standing wave pattern. The displacement of the rope is given by
y=0.49sin(πx/3)sin(12πt)
What are (a) the length of the rope, (b) the speed of the waves on the rope, and (c)the mass of the rope? (d) If the rope oscillates in a third-harmonic standing wave pattern, what will be the period of oscillation?

Homework Equations


T=2π/w

The Attempt at a Solution


I have solved part a,b,c but I got part d wrong. I simply used T=2π/w
==> T=2π/(12π)=0.1666666...=0.167s
And this is not the correct answer.
Please point out where I did wrong
 
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i_hate_math said:

Homework Statement


A rope, under a tension of 209 N and fixed at both ends, oscillates in a second-harmonic standing wave pattern. The displacement of the rope is given by
y=0.49sin(πx/3)sin(12πt)
What are (a) the length of the rope, (b) the speed of the waves on the rope, and (c)the mass of the rope? (d) If the rope oscillates in a third-harmonic standing wave pattern, what will be the period of oscillation?

Homework Equations


T=2π/w

The Attempt at a Solution


I have solved part a,b,c but I got part d wrong. I simply used T=2π/w
==> T=2π/(12π)=0.1666666...=0.167s
And this is not the correct answer.
Please point out where I did wrong
The given 12π is for the second harmonic. Part d asks about the third harmonic.
 
haruspex said:
The given 12π is for the second harmonic. Part d asks about the third harmonic.
I see, but is it okay to assume that the length of the rope remains the same?
 
i_hate_math said:
I see, but is it okay to assume that the length of the rope remains the same?
Yes.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes.
With the same L, I got speed v=sqrt(T•L/m) where T is tension, so v remains the same too. the wavelength is changed since its now in third harmonic pattern, L=6=(3/2)λ.
==> λ=4
==> λ•f=v and from part b, v=36 is the correct answer
==> v=1/9=0.111...
 
i_hate_math said:
With the same L, I got speed v=sqrt(T•L/m) where T is tension, so v remains the same too. the wavelength is changed since its now in third harmonic pattern, L=6=(3/2)λ.
==> λ=4
==> λ•f=v and from part b, v=36 is the correct answer
==> v=1/9=0.111...
Did you mean T=0.111?
 
haruspex said:
Did you mean T=0.111?
Yes. Sorry about the typo
 
i_hate_math said:
Yes. Sorry about the typo
Looks right.
 
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haruspex said:
Looks right.
I checked with the answers, it is!
 

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