STAR: Comparing Ionization and Thermal Energy in the Sun

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to ionize all the hydrogen in the Sun and comparing it to the Sun's thermal energy. The problem is situated within the context of astrophysics, specifically focusing on ionization energy and thermal energy concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the total number of hydrogen atoms in the Sun and multiplying by the ionization energy of a single atom. There are questions about the validity of assuming the Sun is entirely composed of hydrogen and how to accurately determine the thermal energy of the Sun.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided initial calculations and assumptions regarding the composition of the Sun, while others are seeking clarification on the thermal energy value and its derivation. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the Sun is approximately 91% hydrogen, which influences the assumptions about its composition. There is also mention of using external resources to refine calculations.

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Question says:
Approximately how much energy would be required to ionize all the
hydrogen in the Sun? How does this ionization energy compare with
the thermal energy of the Sun?
(Assume the uniform density approximation. The ionization energy of
a single hydrogen atom is 2.18e−18 J.)

Am I to calculate the number of hydrogen atoms in the sun, and multiply by the ionization energy of a single atom? If so do you think its a decent assumption to say that the Sun is entirely made from hydrogen?

If so I get the ionization energy to be 2.59*10^3^9 J and the thermal energy to be 1.47*10^3^8 J, so there isn't enough energy in the sun to ionise all its hydrogen
 
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If we consider the number of atoms, the sun is composed of about 91% hydrogen and the rest is mostly helium, so I would guess that it is a fair assumption.
Brewer said:
Am I to calculate the number of hydrogen atoms in the sun, and multiply by the ionization energy of a single atom? If so do you think its a decent assumption to say that the Sun is entirely made from hydrogen?

Sounds good to me.

~H
 
Yippee! Intuition worked for once!
 
Brewer said:
Yippee! Intuition worked for once!

Lmao. However, if you wish to be more accurate you could use the figures here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun to calculate actaully how much hydrogen is in the sun by mass then calculate the number of atoms and hence the ionisation enthalpy... :biggrin:

~H
 
Brewer said:
If so I get the ionization energy to be 2.59*10^3^9 J and the thermal energy to be 1.47*10^3^8 J, so there isn't enough energy in the sun to ionise all its hydrogen
How do you get this value for the thermal energy?

AM
 

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