Star Geometry: 10 Lobed Star Shape Described by Parametric Equation

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The discussion revolves around the geometry of a 10-lobed star shape defined by a specific parametric equation. Participants explore how to analytically determine the values of θ at which the lobes of the star are exactly bisected, addressing both mathematical approaches and graphical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a parametric equation for a 10-lobed star and seeks to find the θ values for the points where the lobes are bisected.
  • Another participant suggests that the midpoints correspond to values of θ that maximize r, proposing to derive r^2 as a function of θ and find where dr/d(θ) = 0.
  • There is a question about whether the bisecting points are indeed at θ = 2πk/10, with some participants expressing uncertainty about this claim.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the graphical representation, with one participant suggesting that unequal scaling in the plot may distort the perceived bisecting lines.
  • A later reply acknowledges the issue of distorted scales and confirms that using equal scales clarifies the bisecting points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the exact θ values for bisecting the lobes, with some asserting that θ = 2πk/10 is correct, while others challenge this based on their plots. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the analytical determination of these values.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings related to graphical representation and the dependence on the scaling of axes in plots. The mathematical steps for deriving the midpoints remain unresolved.

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I have a star-shaped geometry described by following parametric equation:


\begin{equation}
\gamma(\theta) = 1 + 0.5 \times \cos (10 \theta) (\cos(\theta),\sin(\theta), 0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi \
\end{equation}

Thus, \gamma (1) = x - coordinate and \gamma (2) = y - coordinate of the point on the star - shaped geometry.

When plotted, one can see that the number 10 in above equation results in 10 lobes. So this is a 10 lobed star. The question is how to find the θ values for the points where the lobes are "exactly" bisected. I tried to plot above equation for a total 10 values of calculated as follows -

θ ( lobe_number ) = 2 \pi - lobe_number × Segtheta, ... (2)

where Segtheta is the angle between the lines bisecting the lobes exactly. Clearly, in this case, Segtheta = 2 \pi / 10, 10 being the total number of lobes. I am surprised to see that these points do not lie on the line bisecting the lobes (see attached figures). How do I find the theta values at the midpoints? I know I can always check the (x,y) data and do a tan inverse but I need an equation which gives me these values exactly / analytically.
Many thanks for help.
 

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The midpoints will be at theta values which maximize r. Write r^2 = x^2 + y^2 as a function of theta and then solve for the points where dr/d(theta) = 0. This should give the midpoints.

Are you sure these are not at the values 2*pi*k/10?
 
phyzguy said:
The midpoints will be at theta values which maximize r. Write r^2 = x^2 + y^2 as a function of theta and then solve for the points where dr/d(theta) = 0. This should give the midpoints.

Are you sure these are not at the values 2*pi*k/10?
r being the distance between any two points on the parametric curve, right?
 
phyzguy said:
Are you sure these are not at the values 2*pi*k/10?

The line through 2*pi*k/10 appears to be passing through a point slightly off ( to left) the mid point of the lobe.
 
nawidgc said:
r being the distance between any two points on the parametric curve, right?

No, r being the distance from the origin.
 
nawidgc said:
The line through 2*pi*k/10 appears to be passing through a point slightly off ( to left) the mid point of the lobe.

Not when I plot it. You've just distorted the plot by plotting it with unequal X and Y scales. If you plot it with equal scales, you'll see that theta = 2 pi k/10 does bisect the lobes.

Do you have Mathematica? I've uploaded a notebook showing this.
 

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phyzguy said:
Not when I plot it. You've just distorted the plot by plotting it with unequal X and Y scales. If you plot it with equal scales, you'll see that theta = 2 pi k/10 does bisect the lobes.

Do you have Mathematica? I've uploaded a notebook showing this.

So silly of me not to notice it. Yes, I did have a distorted scale. An equal scale does remove the confusion. Thanks a lot!
 

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