Star Observation Calculation Homework

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The discussion revolves around calculating energy absorption and radiation for Earth and Ceres based on the intensity of solar radiation. The problem involves concepts from thermodynamics and astrophysics, particularly black body radiation and equilibrium temperature calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to calculate the energy per second that falls on Earth and the corresponding surface temperature needed for equilibrium. There are attempts to apply Stefan-Boltzmann law and ratios of distances for intensity calculations. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about Earth's temperature and the lack of radius information for Ceres.

Discussion Status

Some participants express agreement on the approaches taken for the first two questions, while others raise concerns about the accuracy of their calculations. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in the problem, particularly regarding the greenhouse effect and the implications for temperature calculations. Guidance is offered on how to approach the calculations for Ceres.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of Ceres' radius and discuss the implications of global warming on Earth's energy balance. There is also mention of the need to clarify the intensity of solar radiation at different distances from the Sun.

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Homework Statement


The intensity of the Sun's radiation is about 1380 Wm-2 at Earth's distance, 1.5x1011m. Earth absorbs this radiation as a black body, and radiates its own energy back into space.

a) How much Energy per second falls on the Earth's surface? (Diameter of Earth = 12800km)
b) What temperature would Earth's surface need to be to radiate this much energy back into space (i.e equilibrium)
c) Why is Earth's actual average surface temperature a bit higher than this
d) Ceres, the largest asteroid, orbits around 4.1 x1011m from the sun:
(i) What would be the Sun's intensity on Ceres
(ii) Find the average temperature of its surface.

Homework Equations


P=AoT4 where o = 5.6697x10-8Js-1m-2 K-4
I = P / 4 x pi x D2 where D is the distance from the star

The Attempt at a Solution


a) P = 1380 x 4pi x (1.5x1011)2
don't think this is right...
b) T = fourth root of P / 4pi x r2 x o
c) global warming?? greenhouse effect??
d) (i) Just use the ratio of Earth's distance : Ceres' distance, plug in the intensity
(ii) Don't even know where to start, considering we don't have the radius...
 
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Hi,
I agree with you in the first question since energy/sec is just watt, so assuming the sun shine on the whole Earth Pon earth = P*A
Also does agree with 2, it's a straighforward application of stephan's law,
Because It doesn't radiate all the energy that it absorbs due to something, maybe global warming and a small contribution go to heat the Earth's surface
And repeat the same scénario to answer the last two, good luck !
 
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Noctisdark said:
Hi,
I agree with you in the first question since energy/sec is just watt, so assuming the sun shine on the whole Earth Pon earth = P*A
Also does agree with 2, it's a straighforward application of stephan's law,
Because It doesn't radiate all the energy that it absorbs and a small contribution go to heat the Earth's surface
And repeat the same scénario to answer the last two, good luck !
Hey there, My attempt at question 1 and 2 must be incorrect as I come out with a Power of 3.9x1026, and therefore a surface temperature of over 1million Kelvin which just isn't right? HELP!
 
No idea, we have no radius of ceres, maybe google it ?
Just to correct one thing 1380 is the sun intensity at earth, so I = 1380, calculate P (You've done that), assume that R being the radius of ceres and for it to radiate back that energy into space then P = 4πR2*σ*T4, and solve for T
 

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