Starlink launch - first 60 satellites

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The discussion revolves around the launch of the first 60 satellites for SpaceX's Starlink project, focusing on the technical aspects of the launch, satellite deployment, tracking, and implications for astronomy. Participants share updates on the launch status, satellite performance, and concerns regarding the impact of large satellite constellations on astronomical observations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the launch timing and weather conditions, with a high chance of favorable weather for the launch.
  • There is discussion about the Falcon 9 booster being reused for the fourth time, with some uncertainty about the specific missions it has previously supported.
  • Participants mention the launch being scrubbed due to wind and the subsequent rescheduling of the launch attempt.
  • After the launch, there are mixed reports about the successful deployment of the satellites, with some participants expressing uncertainty about whether all satellites deployed correctly.
  • Tracking of the satellites is discussed, with some participants noting that they can be seen as a line of dots in the sky, while others mention the challenges of predicting their visibility as they raise their orbits.
  • Concerns are raised about the number of satellites in orbit and their potential impact on astronomical observations, with some participants arguing that the proliferation of satellites could interfere with research and photography.
  • Participants report on the operational status of the satellites, with updates on which satellites are raising their orbits and which are experiencing issues.
  • There is a mention of the financial backing for the Starlink project and its implications for future launches and operational capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the implications of the satellite launches for astronomy. While some acknowledge the benefits of global internet access, others strongly oppose the potential negative impact on the night sky and astronomical research. The discussion remains unresolved on the balance between these competing interests.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in tracking data and the operational status of the satellites, with some satellites experiencing issues that are not fully clarified. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties about the long-term implications of deploying large satellite constellations.

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Individuals interested in satellite technology, space exploration, astronomy, and the implications of satellite constellations on scientific research may find this discussion relevant.

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Starlink launch in 20.5 hours, live coverage here. 80% chance that the weather will be good, backup launch date is the following day. The deployment of the satellites could be very interesting.A lot of new information about Starship:
They are building two of them - one in Texas (that one was known) and one in Florida. Confirmation from Musk. They are built by two independent teams competing - but also sharing things they learned with the other team. The landing legs/wings might be installed end of June.

New Starhopper flights are https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/county-approves-another-round-of-spacex-road-closures/article_52b32cee-7682-11e9-b13b-cb22079e283c.html, although these could still be single-engine hops.

They are working on the fifth Raptor engine - that is enough for larger hops of Starhopper later (it needs three, but 1-2 engines are earlier prototypes that won't fly). The plan is to have about 100 engines early next year. That would be sufficient for Starhopper, both orbital Starship prototypes, two "Super Heavy" boosters and ~15 spares. Will they actually assemble two sets so quickly? We'll see. It looks like they aim at orbital flights in 2020.

SpaceX plans to give a presentation about the project status June 20. By that time we should have seen more Starhopper hops and the outer shell of an orbital Starship prototype should be in an advanced stage. It is two days before the next (third) Falcon Heavy flight, launching various payloads for the US Air Force.
 
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mfb said:
This will be the fourth flight of this particular Falcon 9 booster, the first time a booster will be used for a fourth flight. The previous flight of it launched (among other payloads) the Beresheet mission which tried to land on the Moon.
According to SpaceX it is a bit different, may I know what was your source? Might be about some following launch instead...
Falcon 9’s first stage for this mission previously supported the Telstar 18 VANTAGE mission in September 2018 and the Iridium-8 mission in January 2019.
 
They changed the booster on short notice (at least publicly). It is now the third booster that will make a third flight. Discussed here but there were also better sources I don't find right now.
The launch was scrubbed due to wind, next attempt tomorrow at the same time.
 
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Success. Although I have no idea if the deployment of the satellites worked properly (SpaceX expects to have a confirmation in a few hours). It was unlike any other satellite deployment. They just stacked 60 satellites (in two groups of 30 apparently) and let them slide apart from inertia.

Shortly after deployment:
starlink1.png


And after a flying for a while, at least one satellite has clearly separated from the rest already:
starlink2.png


Edit: All 60 satellites online

Edit2:
Animation of the deployment scheme
Another animation
 
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They don't seem to be in satellite databases yet but if you are lucky you can see them with the naked eye - as long train of dots crossing the sky.

Here are some videos and reports, all from Europe so far. The hours after sunset are the interesting time frame.

https://www.calsky.com/cs.cgi?cha=12&sec=1 and Heavens-above are websites that should add the satellites soon, they can predict visibility then.

Meanwhile: 1 billion additional funding for Starlink raised this year, enough for 12 launches, an operational constellation.
 
Satellite tracking
https://celestrak.com/cesium/orbit-viz.php?tle=/NORAD/elements/starlink.txt&satcat=/pub/satcat.txt&orbits=25&pixelSize=3&samplesPerPeriod=90&referenceFrame=1
Yet another alternative

The 60 satellites still form a well-defined line across the sky, but will spread out somewhat quickly (could be within a few days). Their orbit is close to the terminator, giving them visibility from many places. This might be the best chance ever to see so many satellites at the same time, future launches could have different orientations. It is really an odd formation in the sky.
 
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heavens-above.com is tracking the first and last satellite. Reliable predictions are difficult as the satellites are all raising their orbits. The string of satellites is spreading out a lot already. If you want to see the satellites as dense group better look for them soon.

Graph based on NORAD tracking data:

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(edit: updated from here)

The fastest raise their orbit by 10 km/day but most are using a more relaxed 5 km/day. In total 64 objects are tracked, 60 satellites and 4 objects related to the release mechanism (they will burn up in the atmosphere over time). Here are observations of them

Meanwhile SpaceX revealed that 56 satellites are fine while 4 have some trouble, but it is unclear which kind of trouble. Can't be too bad if they decided to raise their orbit.
Edit: With more clarification which object is what it looks like only 56 satellites raise their orbit. Two lowered their orbit, two more don't raise it.

Edit: Yet another update. The first satellites made it half the way to their final orbit now. 57 satellites are raised now (that number was 56 before), it looks like the issue of one of them could be resolved.
 

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Still a lot of confusion about tracking, but it is now quite clear that one satellite is actively lowering its orbit. Probably one of the four with issues, if SpaceX decided they can't use it then deorbiting it actively is the best option. Meanwhile the good satellites are reaching their target altitude of 550 km - the first few seem to be there (or very close), most of the rest can catch up within a week or so. They might keep some a bit lower deliberately to spread the satellites out in their orbital plane. Ideally they all have circumference/56 distance to each other (or whatever number of satellites will be useful if not 56).

Tracking data:
 
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Finally something official.

- 45 reached their final orbit
- 5 will reach it shortly (or did so since that announcement)
- 5 paused orbit raising for additional check-outs and will likely join later
- 2 satellites are deorbited actively. "To simulate an end of life disposal", but it isn't hard to understand they are the worst ones with working propulsion
- 3 satellites are passive and will deorbit just from atmospheric drag

=> probably 55 working satellites in the end

A 5% failure rate for propulsion is not untypical for satellites but SpaceX needs to get better in order to launch 12000 satellites. No one wants 600 uncontrolled satellites, even if they decay within a year each.
 
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mfb said:
but SpaceX needs to get better in order to launch 12000 satellites. No one wants 600 uncontrolled satellites, even if they decay within a year each.

And no astronomer wants 12000 satellites destroying the night sky for research, photography etc
We astronomers (amateur and professionals ) can't believe that this sort of thing is being allowed.

:frown: :frown: :frown:
 
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They became quite dim since they reached their target altitude. Magnitude 5-6 or so as far as I know.
davenn said:
We astronomers (amateur and professionals ) can't believe that this sort of thing is being allowed.
Allowing internet access for everyone vs. cleaner pictures for astrophotograpy?
The chance that it interrupts a measurement of a big telescope (looking at small areas in the sky, typically) is small and the orbits are predictable, so you can avoid an influence there.
 
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mfb said:
They became quite dim since they reached their target altitude. Magnitude 5-6 or so as far as I know.

and that is VERY bright through a scope. Even my scope easily picks up satellites ~ mag 8-10 ... completely invisible to naked eye, as a streak of light across the image
 

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