F is strictly increasing at each point in (a,b)

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The discussion revolves around proving that a function \( f: (a,b) \to \mathbb{R} \) is strictly increasing on the interval \( (a,b) \) if it is strictly increasing at each point within that interval. The context involves concepts from real analysis, particularly related to the properties of functions and intervals.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to begin the proof and seek hints. Some discuss the implications of the definitions of strict increase at a point versus on an interval. Others explore the relationship between the least upper bound property and the behavior of the function.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants suggesting potential connections to compactness and the Heine-Borel property. Others question the validity of certain assumptions regarding the choice of \( \delta \) and its implications for the proof.

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Participants note that the problem is framed as a challenge and involves definitions that may vary in complexity, which could affect the approach to the proof. There is also mention of the need to consider bounded intervals and the implications of the existence of certain points in relation to the function's behavior.

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Homework Statement


Let ##(a,b)\subset \mathbb{R}## be a bounded open interval. Prove that if ##f:(a,b)\to\ \mathbb{R}## is strictly increasing at each point in ##(a,b)##, then ##f## is strictly increasing on ##(a,b)##.

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Let ##(a,b)\subset \mathbb{R}## be a bounded open interval in ##\mathbb{R}##. We say that ##f:(a,b)\to \mathbb{R}## is strictly increasing at ##c\in(a,b)## if there is a ##\delta>0## such that both the following hold:
1) for each ##x\in(c-\delta,c)## we have ##f(x)<f(c)##
2) for each ##x\in(c,c+\delta)## we have ##f(c)<f(x)##.

We say that ##f:(a,b)\to \mathbb{R}## is strictly increasing on ##(a,b)## if whenever ##x,y\in(a,b)## with ##x<y##, we find that ##f(x)<f(y)##.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure where to start here. This is a challenge problem in the section on the least upper bound, so I suppose it relates somehow, but I am not seeing the connection. Hints would be nice.

EDIT: I think I solved it.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
1) for each ##x\in(c-\delta,c)## we have ##f(x)<f(c)##
2) for each ##x\in(c,c+\delta)## we have ##f(c)<f(x)##

The way I did it, I combined these two statements, changed the second ##x## to a ##y## and chose a ##\delta>0## such that ##(c-\delta,c+\delta)\subset (a,b)##.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
The way I did it, I combined these two statements, changed the second ##x## to a ##y## and chose a ##\delta>0## such that ##(c-\delta,c+\delta)\subset (a,b)##.
I don't think you're allowed to choose ##\delta##. It says only that "there exists."
 
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did they prove the heine borel property in the section on lub's? (i.e. every open covering of a closed bounded interval by open intyervals has a finite sub covering.) given points c< d in the interval, the fact that f(c) < f(d) seems to follow from the existence of a finite cover of the closed bounded interval [c,d] by open intervals of the type mentioned.

or did they discuss greatest lower bounds? given c in (a,b) you want to show there are no points x >c where f(x) ≤ f(c). Assuming there are some, the set of such x is a bounded non empty set and has a greatest lower bound d. That means every x with f(x) ≤ f(c) has x ≥ d, and also that there are such x arbitrarily close to d and greater than d.

case 1) f(d) ≤ f(c). rule this out.

case 2) f(d) > f(c). Rule this out.
 
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Homework Statement


Let ##(a,b)\subset \mathbb{R}## be a bounded open interval. Prove that if ##f:(a,b)\to\ \mathbb{R}## is strictly increasing at each point in ##(a,b)##, then ##f## is strictly increasing on ##(a,b)##.

Homework Equations


Let ##(a,b)\subset \mathbb{R}## be a bounded open interval in ##\mathbb{R}##. We say that ##f:(a,b)\to \mathbb{R}## is strictly increasing at ##c\in(a,b)## if there is a ##\delta>0## such that both the following hold:
1) for each ##x\in(c-\delta,c)## we have ##f(x)<f(c)##
2) for each ##x\in(c,c+\delta)## we have ##f(c)<f(x)##.

We say that ##f:(a,b)\to \mathbb{R}## is strictly increasing on ##(a,b)## if whenever ##x,y\in(a,b)## with ##x<y##, we find that ##f(x)<f(y)##.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure where to start here. This is a challenge problem in the section on the least upper bound, so I suppose it relates somehow, but I am not seeing the connection. Hints would be nice.

EDIT: I think I solved it.
What is the definition of the concept "is strictly increasing at ##c \in (a,b)##"? Using some definitions the problem is trivial, but using others it presents a bit of a challenge.
 
I think this may work: choose x>y. Then there is a chain of ##\delta##'s from y to x, but maybe you can join them with a line that includes the endpoints and then use compactness to use only finitely-many ##\delta##s.
 

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