States of Matter: Beyond Solid, Liquid, Gas

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The discussion explores various states of matter beyond the classical categories of solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. Participants delve into theoretical and experimental aspects of additional states, including liquid crystals, superfluids, and exotic phases like degenerate matter and strange matter.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention the glassy phase as a potential distinct state of matter, raising questions about the definition of a 'state of matter.'
  • Liquid crystals are noted for their ordered structure compared to typical liquids, suggesting they may represent a unique state.
  • One participant describes amorphous solids and their disordered atomic structure, contrasting them with crystalline solids.
  • Discussion includes the existence of various solid phases known as allotropes and polymorphs, with examples like different forms of ice and carbon allotropes.
  • Quantum fluids can exhibit superfluidity and may transition into supersolids, with some claims about their unusual properties, such as flowing without viscosity.
  • Degenerate matter is introduced as a series of exotic phases relevant to astrophysics, particularly in the context of white dwarfs and neutron stars.
  • Theoretical concepts like quark-gluon plasma, metallic hydrogen, neutronium, and strange matter are mentioned, with some being purely speculative and not yet observed in experiments.
  • One participant challenges the claim that superfluids can conduct electrical current without voltage, suggesting this is not necessarily true.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of supersolids, with a note that their observation is still debated and not universally accepted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the definition and classification of states of matter, with no consensus reached on the validity of certain states or the existence of supersolids. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the theoretical states mentioned.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about states of matter are based on theoretical models or experimental observations that are not universally accepted or confirmed. The definitions and classifications of states may depend on specific conditions or interpretations.

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Im not sure if this is the right forum to ask, but are there any states other than Solid, liquid gas, Plasma, BEC and fermionic condensate?
 
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Some people like to call the glassy phase a different state.

But then again, how do you define a 'state of matter' ?
 
I barely remember my chemistry class, but I remember liquid crystals (which are used in LCD) are also considered "special" (because of their ordered stucture, comparing to usual liquids).
 
With an extremely liberal definition of phases of matter...

The atoms in an amorphous solid are aligned in a rigid disorderly structure, instead of a regular lattice like an ordinary ("crystalline") solid. Liquid crystals are intermediate between solids and liquids; the atoms are held in place, but are free to rotate.

In many materials, there are actually a variety of solid phases, each corresponding to a unique crystal structure. These varying crystal phases of the same substance are called "allotropes" if intramolecular bonding changes or "polymorphs" if only intermolecular bonding changes. For instance, there are at least nine different polymorphs of ice that manifest under different temperature and pressure conditions. Diamond, graphite, and buckministerfullerenes are allotropes of carbon.

When quantum fluids are cooled down enough, they gain superfluidity, and can even phase into supersolids. Quantum effects manifest themselves to produce extremely strange things.

A quantum fluid is a cluster of electrons moving together as a whole, sort of like BEC or fermionic condensate, but under extremely high pressures and low temperatures they may condense into a superfluidic state.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/Supersolid_phase.png

Superfluids are... well a fluid taken to the extreme. Superfluids have NO viscosity. Superfluids have NO entropy. Superfluids flow with NO friction. Superfluids have infinite thermal conductivity. Superfluids can conduct electrical current with the absence of Voltage.

Supersolids are superfluids in the solid form, I don't know much about those. I heard they can be pushed through walls (?).

Under extremely high pressure, ordinary matter undergoes a transition to a series of exotic phases collectively known as degenerate matter. These phases are of great interest to astrophysics, because these high-pressure conditions are believed to take place inside stars that have used up their nuclear fusion "fuel", such as white dwarfs and neutron stars.

Degenerate matter is has a high enough density that the dominant contribution to its pressure arises from the Pauli exclusion principle.

Theoretical quark-gluon plasma is same idea as plasma but with more heat and pressure, and constituted of quarks and gluons.

Metallic hydrogen consists of a lattice of atomic nuclei, protons. It occurs when liquid hydrogen is compressed far enough. Metallic hydrogen is present in tremendous amounts in the gravitationally compressed interiors of Jupiter, Saturn, and some of the newly discovered extrasolar planets.

Neutronium is a colloquial, not-well understood, and often misused term describing the highly compressed phase found in the core of neutron stars.

White dwarf matter is the same idea, but in a white dwarf core.

Strange matter is the next step after neutronium. It is theorized that after neutronium inside a neutron star is put under sufficient gravity pressure, the individual neutrons break down and their quarks form a "strange matter."

Of course the later ones are totally theoretical, only solid, liquid, gas, plasma, liquid crystal, amorphous solid, BEC, fermionic condensate, quantum fluids, superfluids, supersolids, metallic hydrogen, and possibly quark-gluon plasma have been created in the lab.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/9/15/1
This recent article is very interesting, a substance created in the lab that freezes as it heats. :eek:
 
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Superfluids can conduct electrical current with the absence of Voltage.
Not necessarily.

Supersolids are superfluids in the solid form, I don't know much about those. I heard they can be pushed through walls (?).
They can not be pushed through walls, and they are not yet "known for certain" to exist. There has been only one experimental group that claims observing supersolidity, and the theory of such a supersolid is still being debated.


E. Kim, M. Chan, Nature (2004) - http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/1/6

D. Ceperley, B. Bernu, Phys Rev Lett 93, 155303 (2004)
 

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