Static equilibrium/tension force problem

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The problem involves a system in static equilibrium with a focus on determining the tensions in three strings and an angle. The original poster outlines the need to analyze force components and torque to solve for the unknowns.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on force components and torque but expresses difficulty due to the number of unknowns. Some participants suggest that the number of equations should suffice to solve for the unknowns and question the correctness of the torque equation. Others inquire about the validity of assuming specific relationships between the tension components and the weights of the masses involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on assumptions related to the forces acting on the system. There is an exploration of the implications of these assumptions, particularly regarding the forces at a specific point in the string system.

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Participants note the importance of considering the nature of the strings involved, emphasizing that they are light strings, which may affect the assumptions made about the forces in the system.

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Homework Statement



The attached system is in static equilibrium, and the string in the middle is exactly horizontal.
Find:
a)tension T1
b)tension T2
c)tension T3
d)angle theta

Homework Equations



I know I need to create equations that equal zero to analyze the x and y components of force as well as torque

The Attempt at a Solution



So
Fx=T3x-T1x=0 (I think the tension in T2 is zero)
Fy=T1y + T3y-m3g-m2g=0
For the torque equation I'm using the axis of rotation as the point where T1 meets m3

torque = T2R + T3yR - m2gR

When I try to solve any of these I come across way too many unknowns to solve...can someone see if I've assessed for forces properly and show me where to go from here?

Thanks!
 

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you have 4 unknowns and 3 equations which means you should be able to solve for each variable fairly easily. ( I say 4 unknowns because T3x cand T3y can both be expressed in terms of T3, with some triangular thinking.. Not sure if your torque equation is right or wrong(haven't done that stuff in a while)
 
Can I assume that T1y=m3g and T3y=m2g?
 
psneath said:
Can I assume that T1y=m3g and T3y=m2g?

Yes, you can and you should. :biggrin: [I assume you mean T1y = (3.0 kg) x g, and T3y = (2.0 kg) x g]

And it's important to understand why you can. So I encourage you to think about it for a couple of minutes.

Consider a tiny point on the string, right at the intersection of the T1 string, the horizontal T2 string, and the vertical string holding up the 3.0 kg mass. According to this small point of string, there are only 3 forces acting on it. So you can isolate this particular point to be a function of only these 3 forces. How many forces are acting on that particular point in the y-direction? Since nothing is accelerating, what does it tell you about those forces that exist in the y-direction (as seen from that particular point)?

[Edit: Btw, The above applies because we are dealing with light strings. If we were dealing with heavy rods, or rigid rods that clamped onto each other and held firm, things might be a little different.]
 
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