Statics Homework: Solving for Weight with ΣFy = 0 and ΣFx = 0 Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a statics homework problem involving the calculation of weight using the equations ΣFy = 0 and ΣFx = 0. Participants explore the relationships between angles, tension, and weight in a static system, while sharing their attempts at solutions and addressing potential errors in calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports finding Θ = 78.23° and weight = 28.96 lb, but expresses uncertainty about the accuracy of their calculations.
  • Another participant calculates tan Θ = 4.8 from the sine and cosine equations, agreeing with the reported angle of 78.23° but suggests there may be errors in the initial equations.
  • A participant questions the validity of their assumptions, particularly regarding TBCy = WA and the sine and cosine equations.
  • One participant proposes a different approach to find θ using arctan, resulting in a tension calculation of 100 lbs.
  • There is a discussion about discrepancies in weight calculations, with one participant noting a potential mistake in assigning WA and suggesting a correction involving sin Θ.
  • Another participant advises maintaining significant figures throughout calculations and rounding only at the end.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether they should rework their answers based on significant figures.
  • One participant confirms a typo regarding the angle value and corrects it to 78.23°.
  • A participant acknowledges an error in their sine equation and reports success after making corrections to their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of their calculations, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the assumptions and equations used.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of their sine and cosine equations, and there are unresolved issues regarding the assignment of variables and the precision of calculations.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


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ΣFy = 0
ΣFx = 0
TanΘ = sinΘ/cosΘ
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3. The Attempt at a Solution

See above, I get Θ=78.23° and weight is 28.96lb There's a bit of work not shown here b/c it was super messy, but basically I took the eqns that equalled sinΘ and cosΘ and divided them so that TanΘ = sinΘ/cosΘ. I did check my math, but somehow my checks tend to often be wrong. Thanks all!
 
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Starting from your equations for ##\sin \theta## and ##\cos \theta##, I get ##\tan \theta = 4.8##, which gives an approximate value for ##\theta## that agrees with what you show (78.23°).
(Later edit: fixed my typo of 73.23°)

I didn't verify the work before your sine and cosine equations, so it's possible you have an error in one or both of them. I didn't verify your value for WA, either.
 
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Are there any problems with my assumptions? Mostly TBCy = WA, and the cosθ and sinθ eqns.
 
θ - 90o = 0.5 * arctan 5/12.
Tension in BD = 2 * weight * cos (0.5 * arctan 5/12) = 100 lbs.
 
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Mark44 said:
Starting from your equations for ##\sin \theta## and ##\cos \theta##, I get ##\tan \theta = 4.8##, which gives an approximate value for ##\theta## that agrees with what you show (73.23°).

I didn't verify the work before your sine and cosine equations, so it's possible you have an error in one or both of them. I didn't verify your value for WA, either.
Mark44 - My value was Θ=78.23°. Just a typo right?

David Lewis said:
θ - 90o = 0.5 * arctan 5/12.
Tension in BD = 2 * weight * cos (0.5 * arctan 5/12) = 100 lbs.
So your eqns evaluate to 51.07lb and 78.69°. While I think that .5° discrepancy could be chalked up to rounding, I feel like 2.5+ lb difference cannot be. I guess I made a mistake assigning WA = TBC⋅12/13. WA should be TBDsinΘ = WA(25/13)?
 
During the intermediate steps in your calculations, keep more significant figures than are justified by the precision of the given data. Then round off the final answer to the appropriate number of significant figures as the last step.
 
I've been carrying 1 extra sf, generally. Should I be reworking my answer?
 
inund8 said:
Mark44 - My value was Θ=78.23°. Just a typo right?
Yes. I read one thing and typed another. 78.23° is what I got (rounded to 2 dec. places). I have edited my earlier post.
 
That happens! I'm redoing it, since I'm pretty sure my sin θ eqn is off
 
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Alright I got it! Thanks all! Once I changed the sin eqn to be sinΘ = WA(25/13)TBD it all worked fine. The 1/13 lb difference won't show didn't show in the angle, but it compounded and showed in the final answer!
 

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