Fresnel Equations and Snell's Law

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Fresnel equations and Snell's Law to derive the reflection and transmission coefficients at Brewster's angle. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and identities involved in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss deriving the reflection coefficient and transmission coefficient at Brewster's angle, questioning the use of trigonometric identities and substitutions. There is an exploration of how to manipulate the reflection coefficient into a more recognizable form and the implications of the angle relationships.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the derivation process, particularly regarding the reflection coefficient. Others are grappling with the transmission coefficient, indicating a mix of progress and uncertainty in the calculations. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the mathematical steps involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the relationships between angles and their trigonometric functions, particularly at Brewster's angle, with some participants noting the need for careful handling of identities and substitutions. The original poster's attempt includes specific equations and relationships that are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


From the Fresnel equations and Snell’s Law, prove that, when θ = θB where tanθB = nt/ni, (θB is the Brewster angle); (a) Reflection coefficient = 0 , and (b) transmission coefficient = n/n’

Homework Equations


reflection coefficient = (ntcosθi - nicosθt) / (ntcosθi + nicosθt)

transmission coefficient = (2nicosθi) / (ntcosθi+nicosθt)

Snell's Law : nisinθi = ntsinθt

Brewster's Angle: θi + θt = 90°

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that for Brewster's Angle θi + θt = 90°

Part a) is basically asking to derive the current version of the reflection coefficient, into it's more known tangent version:

tan(θi - θt) / tan(θi + θt)

For Brewster's Angle tan(θi + θt) = tan(90°) = 0

So reflection coefficient will equal 0.

Rearranging Snell's Law: ni= ntsinθt / sinθi

Subbing ni into the reflection coefficient and multiplying both numerator and denominator by sinθi / nt gives:

(sinθtcosθt - sinθicosθi) / (sinθtcosθt + sinθicosθi)

I don't know how to get from there to tan though. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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Homework Statement


From the Fresnel equations and Snell’s Law, prove that, when θ = θB where tanθB = nt/ni, (θB is the Brewster angle); (a) Reflection coefficient = 0 , and (b) transmission coefficient = n/n’

Homework Equations


reflection coefficient = (ntcosθi - nicosθt) / (ntcosθi + nicosθt)

transmission coefficient = (2nicosθi) / (ntcosθi+nicosθt)

Snell's Law : nisinθi = ntsinθt

Brewster's Angle: θi + θt = 90°

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that for Brewster's Angle θi + θt = 90°

Part a) is basically asking to derive the current version of the reflection coefficient, into it's more known tangent version:

tan(θi - θt) / tan(θi + θt)

For Brewster's Angle tan(θi + θt) = tan(90°) = 0

So reflection coefficient will equal 0.

Rearranging Snell's Law: ni= ntsinθt / sinθi

Subbing ni into the reflection coefficient and multiplying both numerator and denominator by sinθi / nt gives:

(sinθtcosθt - sinθicosθi) / (sinθtcosθt + sinθicosθi)

I don't know how to get from there to tan though. Any help would be much appreciated.
Wait... for part b) they are asking to find the transmission coefficient, right? Are you calculating the reflection coefficient??
 
Yes, for part a) I need to derive the reflection coefficient and part b) the transmission coefficient
 
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Yes, for part a) I need to derive the reflection coefficient and part b) the transmission coefficient
Ah, I thought you had started part b). Ok.

Note that it is not true that tan(90) = 0. You have to use trig identities for the product of sin(A) cos(A)
 
something like ... sin(A)cos(A) = 1/2(2sinAcosA) = 1/2(sin2A) = sin2A/2
 
or 2sinAcosA = sin2A
 
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or 2sinAcosA = sin2A
Right. And then use the identity for sin(A) + sin(B) and so on.
 
nrqed said:
Right. And then use the identity for sin(A) + sin(B) and so on.

I don't follow why I need to use sin(A) + sin(B) identity
 
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I don't follow why I need to use sin(A) + sin(B) identity
Write the next few steps. You will encounter this type of terms
 
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ok, so I think I have it. I've replaced most of the terms with A and B for easier writing / reading at this point.

2sinAcosA = sin2A

(2sinAcosA - 2sinBcosB) / (2sinAcosA + 2sinBcosB)

= sin2A - sin2B / sin2A + sin2B

= 2sin(A-B)cos(A+B) / 2sin(A+B)cos(A-B)

At Brewster's Angle, A+B = 90°, therefore

= 2sin(A-B)cos(90) / 2sin(90)cos(A-B)

cos(90°) = 0, therefore

Reflection coefficient = 0 at Brewster's Angle
 
  • #11
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ok, so I think I have it. I've replaced most of the terms with A and B for easier writing / reading at this point.

2sinAcosA = sin2A

(2sinAcosA - 2sinBcosB) / (2sinAcosA + 2sinBcosB)

= sin2A - sin2B / sin2A + sin2B

= 2sin(A-B)cos(A+B) / 2sin(A+B)cos(A-B)

At Brewster's Angle, A+B = 90°, therefore

= 2sin(A-B)cos(90) / 2sin(90)cos(A-B)

cos(90°) = 0, therefore

Reflection coefficient = 0 at Brewster's Angle
good job :-)
 
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I'm not sure how to get started with the transmission coefficient. There are so many substitutions and trig identities to try...
 
  • #13
At brewster's angle nisinθi = ntcosθi

2nicosθi / ntcosθi+nicosθt

= 2nicosθi/nisinθi+nicosθt

= 2cosθi/sinθi+cosθt

I'm kind of stuck here though...
 
  • #14
ok, I think I've figured it out using Snell's Law:

nisinθi=ntsinθt

nisinθi=ntsin(90-θB

nisinθi=ntcosθB

OR

nisinθi=ntcosθi

2nicosθi / ntcosθi+nicosθt

subbing in the relation: nisinθi=ntcosθi

2nicosθi / nisinθi+nicosθt

Multiply numerator and denominator by 1/ni

2cosθi / sinθi+cosθt

subbing in relation: cosθt = sinθi

cosθt = sin(90-θt) = sinθi

2cosθi / sinθi+sinθi

2cosθi / 2sinθi

= ni / nt
 
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