Statics: pipe wrench gripping pipe

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The discussion revolves around a statics problem involving a pipe wrench gripping a pipe, specifically focusing on the forces and torques acting on the wrench. Participants are attempting to solve for the reaction forces at various points based on a given applied force and geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a 500N force produces a 200Nm torque at point D, questioning the resulting vertical reactions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the offset of the pin at D, suggesting that this must be considered to correctly determine the forces.
  • A participant proposes a method to find Cx by summing moments about point D, indicating that Cy cannot be determined without first finding Cx.
  • One participant attempts to calculate the forces and angles based on their understanding of the geometry involved, but is corrected regarding the assumptions made about the direction of forces.
  • Another participant confirms the calculations of Cx and Cy, stating that they align with the book's answers, and provides a detailed breakdown of their approach.
  • Participants discuss the significance of summing moments about different points and the implications for solving for unknown forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial assumptions regarding the forces and moments. Some participants agree with the book's answers for Cx and Cy, while others challenge the methods used to arrive at those values, indicating ongoing debate and refinement of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to summing moments and forces, highlighting the complexity of the problem and the need for careful consideration of geometry and equilibrium conditions.

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Homework Statement


A 500N force is applied to the handle at point F. The geometry & measurements are as given in the illustration. Find Cx, Cy, Ax and Ay[/B]

Homework Equations


Well, the 500N force produces a 200Nm torque at point D, since DF is 400mm. [/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


So the book's answer key shows a Cx of 4900N and Cy of 19,800N.
Intuitively, I see that the wrench has to grip the pipe and therefore we must have some Cy.
Mathematically, I don't see how the 500N force produces any corresponding vertical reactions. If D is the fulcrum, you wind up with a Cx of 5000N and Cy of zero.
Or, wait: if you want that pipe to turn, shouldn't the fulcrum be dead center of the pipe? Still not seeing how that fulcrum would yield any value for Cy.
Can someone please point me in the right direction?
Thank you in advance.
The Internet is my professor...I'm trying to wade through statics by myself.[/B]
 

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The pin at D is offset from center by 20 mm. You must consider that.
The book answers appear correct: Cx is not 5000 and Cy is not zero.
I would first determine Cx using the entire wrench with pipe removed and replaced with Cx, Cy, Ax, and Ay forces, then sum moments = 0 to solve for Cx. Once you find Cx, then look at a FBD of the lower part of the wrench cut through the pin at D to solve for Cy by summing moments appropriately.
 
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SoylentBlue said:
Or, wait: if you want that pipe to turn, shouldn't the fulcrum be dead center of the pipe? Still not seeing how that fulcrum would yield any value for Cy.

Doesn't matter what kind of turning you envision for the pipe. A condition for static equilibrium is the sum of moments about any arbitrary point is zero. If you try to sum all moments of forces with respect to points which are on the line of action of Cy, you will never be able to solve for Cy. Like PhanthomJay was emphasizing in the beginning of his response, the offset of point D is critical in solving this problem.
 
Oh, I see.
I can't believe I missed something so basic!
OK, let's try again.
From D to C, we have a 20mm horizontal hop and a 40mm vertical hop, forming a triangle with a 63.4-degree angle. The hypotenuse is 44.72 mm.
So sum of moments about D is (.4m)(500N)-(.04472m)Fc.
That yields Fc, at a 26.6-degree angle off horizontal, of 4474N.
The horizontal component is (cos 26.6)Fc or 4014N; the vertical component is (sin26.6)Fc or 2000N.
Am I on the right track?
Thank you again for your input :^)
 

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No, you are assuming that Fc is perpendicular to the hypotenuse, which is not correct. See post 2 for where to start, summing moments about A to solve for Cx. You won't be able to find Cy yet. Once you solve for Cx, then you can proceed per your last attempt to sum moments about D to solve for Cy.
 
Thank you thank you thank you.
I spent more time than I will admit on this problem, but now I have conquered it!

OK, take the entire wrench as a single entity, and forget about the pipe.
Sum Fx: 500 + Cx + Ax=0
Sum Fy: Ay + Cy = 0
Sum M about A: (.05m)Cx + (.490m)(500N) = 0
So Cx = 4900N (agrees with book)
Ax = -4400 N (agrees with book)

We're halfway there!

Now look at FDC.
Sum Fx: 500 +Dx + Cx = 0
Sum Fy: Cy + Dy = 0
Sum M about D: -(.4m)(500N) + (.02m)Cy+ -(.04m)Cx = 0
Since we know Cx
Cy = 19,800 (agrees with book)
 
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Good! Your plus and minus signs for moments about D are correct...I assume you put some thought into the proper directions of the forces and moments.
 

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