(Statics) Truss with no vertical members, will it work

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using a truss system with no vertical members to support a 50 kN weight at a pin joint located at the center of a void. The participant proposes using two horizontal members extending from the edges of the void to the weight, questioning the static indeterminacy of the solution. Key equations referenced include the sum of moments and the sum of forces equating to zero. The participant expresses confusion regarding the translation of the 50 kN load into a moment and the implications of having no vertical components in the truss design.

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Homework Statement



Supposed to support a 50 kN weight at a pin joint at the center of a void as cost effectively as possible using trusses (e.g., trusses and pin joints have costs)

Homework Equations



Basic sum of moments and sum of forces = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



Why can't I just use two horizontal members from the edges of the void to the weight. Since the trusses are ideal and can't expand the weight won't fall. But I'm having a hard time figuring out the equations. Maybe this solution is statically indeterminate? At the center pin joint I get sum of all forces in x direction = tension in truss 1 - tension in truss two. In the y direction I just get -50 kN. But somehow the forces in the y direction have to equal 0. When I look at it I know it will work (I think there would just be a very strong moment in the trusses). But when I do the equations I'm confused. Does the 50 kN translate into a moment? Why can't we have ideal trusses without vertical components?
 
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How about providing a diagram of your truss. How is it anchored to the edges of the void? Are you saying the beams do not streach or bend?
 

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