Statistical Mechanics- moments/cumulants, log expansion

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The discussion revolves around the use of logarithmic Taylor expansion to express cumulants in terms of moments within the context of statistical mechanics. Participants are examining the conditions under which the expansion holds, particularly focusing on the requirement for the variable \( k \) to be small.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the condition \( |r| < 1 \) for the validity of the logarithmic expansion. Questions are raised regarding the definition of \( k \) being small and its relevance in the context of Fourier transforms. Some participants suggest that this might be a common assumption, while others seek clarification on its necessity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between the size of \( k \) and the convergence of the series. Some guidance has been offered regarding the continuity of \( r(k) \) and its behavior near \( k = 0 \), but there is no explicit consensus on the assumptions made in the original notes.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the assumptions in the lecture notes about the size of \( k \). Participants are questioning whether this is a standard assumption in the context of Fourier transforms and how it relates to the convergence of the series used in the expansion.

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Using log taylor expansion to express cumulants in terms of moments

I have worked through the expansion- ##log(1+\epsilon)= ...## see thumbnail- and that's ok; my question is why does the expansion hold, i.e. all i can see is it must be that ##k## is small- how is this defined as so?

In all my studies on Fourier transforms, I don't ever recall talking about the size of the transform variable being small- (minus the exception of perhaps a boundary condition, and then k is a function of L and then as L gets large k is small) but why here would we require k small, and why isn't this mentioned?

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my lectures notes here:
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The Attempt at a Solution


as above
 

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binbagsss said:

Homework Statement



Using log taylor expansion to express cumulants in terms of moments

I have worked through the expansion- ##log(1+\epsilon)= ...## see thumbnail- and that's ok; my question is why does the expansion hold, i.e. all i can see is it must be that ##k## is small- how is this defined as so?

In all my studies on Fourier transforms, I don't ever recall talking about the size of the transform variable being small- (minus the exception of perhaps a boundary condition, and then k is a function of L and then as L gets large k is small) but why here would we require k small, and why isn't this mentioned?

Homework Equations


my lectures notes here:View attachment 232140

The Attempt at a Solution


as above

The expansion
$$\ln(1+r) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{k-1} \frac{r^k}{k} \hspace{4ex}(1)$$ holds only for ##|r| < 1.## Thus, if you write
$$\rho(k) = 1 + \underbrace{\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-ik)^n}{n!} \langle x^n \rangle}_{=\;r}$$
you need ##|k|## small enough to ensure ##|r| < 1## in order to be able to apply expansion (1) to ##\tilde{\rho}(k) = \ln \rho(k).## (Since ##r = r(k)## is continuous in ##k## and vanishes when ##k=0##, there will be a ##k##-interval surrounding ##0## that ensures ##|r(k)| < 1## whenever ##k## lies in that interval.)
 
Ray Vickson said:
The expansion
$$\ln(1+r) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{k-1} \frac{r^k}{k} \hspace{4ex}(1)$$ holds only for ##|r| < 1.## Thus, if you write
$$\rho(k) = 1 + \underbrace{\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-ik)^n}{n!} \langle x^n \rangle}_{=\;r}$$
you need ##|k|## small enough to ensure ##|r| < 1## in order to be able to apply expansion (1) to ##\tilde{\rho}(k) = \ln \rho(k).## (Since ##r = r(k)## is continuous in ##k## and vanishes when ##k=0##, there will be a ##k##-interval surrounding ##0## that ensures ##|r(k)| < 1## whenever ##k## lies in that interval.)

Thank you for your reply, and where is it assumed in the notes that k is small enough ? Is this a common sort of assumption with Fourier transforms or not ? Ta.
 
any time you see a series with a constraint like ##\big \vert r \big \vert \lt 1## you should immediately ponder the geometric series as a building block.
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It looks like your author if defining the cumulant as the log of the characteristic function... I've always seen it the other way: cumulant is log of MGF.

It's worth contemplating the differences here.
 
binbagsss said:
Thank you for your reply, and where is it assumed in the notes that k is small enough ? Is this a common sort of assumption with Fourier transforms or not ? Ta.

No: the Fourier transform may exist for all ##k##, and the series (1) may also be valid for all ##k##. However, as I said already (and will repeat here), the expansion ##\ln(1+r) = \sum_{k \geq 1} (-1) ^{k-1} r^k/k## is valid only if ##-1 < r \leq 1.## Therefore, when you write ##\rho(k) = 1 + r(k)## --- where ##r(k)## is the characteristic series for terms ##k^n, \; n \geq 1## --- we need ##|k|## small enough that we have ##|r(k)| < 1.## Just how large ##k## is allowed to be depends on the probability distribution, but for most distributions there will be at least a small ##k##-interval around ##0## that will work.

As for where in your notes it is assumed that ##k## is small enough: I cannot say. Maybe they do not say it anywhere---I cannot tell. All I can do is explain the situation to you as I have done: in typical case, having ##k## small enough ensures that ##|r(k)| < 1## and that allows your ##\ln##-function expansion.
 

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