Statistical physics - does total energy matter, or only differences?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of total energy versus energy differences in statistical physics, particularly in the context of a two-level system. Participants explore how different energy configurations affect the partition function and related quantities.

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  • Participants examine specific energy configurations and their effects on the partition function. Questions arise about the equivalence of different energy setups and their implications for derived quantities like mean energy and fluctuations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how energy shifts influence various statistical properties. Some participants have provided expressions for the partition function and discussed their differences, while others have raised questions about the significance of these differences in calculating mean energy and fluctuations.

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Participants are considering the effects of energy reference points and how they impact calculations in statistical mechanics. The discussion includes examples where certain quantities remain invariant under shifts in energy levels, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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In statistical physics, in a two level system, I'll give an example to show what I am talking about:

situation 1) energy 0 and energy E
situation 2) energy E/2 and energy -E/2

Are these two situations equivalent? Computing the partition function for both of them it seems they are different, but I am not sure. Because from my experience when dealing with energies in mechanics only the energy difference is important. Cheers
 
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Can you write the two expressions? Why do you think it matters?
 
pines-demon said:
Can you write the two expressions? Why do you think it matters?
The two expressions for ##Z##:

1) ##e^{-\beta \epsilon}+1##
2) ##2\cosh\left(\frac{\beta \epsilon}{2}\right)##

I think it matters because they are two different expressions!
 
laser1 said:
The two expressions for ##Z##:

1) ##e^{-\beta \epsilon}+1##
2) ##2\cosh\left(\frac{\beta \epsilon}{2}\right)##

I think it matters because they are two different expressions!
Well the partition functions cannot be exactly the same because energies are slightly shifted so it matter for energy-level dependent quantities, for example if you calculate the mean energy ##\overline{E}=-\partial \ln Z/\partial \beta## you get:
  1. ##\epsilon/(e^{\beta \epsilon}+1)##
  2. ##\epsilon \tanh(\beta \epsilon/2)/2##
As ##\beta \to 0##, Eq.1 goes to ##\epsilon/2## and Eq.2 goes to ##0## (the average value) as you would expect because of the choice of energy reference. However if you calculate a quantity that does not depend on the energy reference, for example the energy fluctuations around the mean ##\Delta E^2=\overline {E^2}-\overline{E}^2=\partial^2 \ln Z/\partial \beta^2## you get
$$\Delta E^2=\frac{\epsilon^2 e^{\beta \epsilon}}{(e^{\beta \epsilon}+1)^2}$$
for both. You can try with other energy-independent quantities.
 
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Here is another example, imagine that the higher energy state has a magnetic moment ##m## associated to it, and the lower energy state has a moment ##-m##. The average magnetic moment is
$$\overline{m}=m\frac{\exp(-\beta \epsilon)-1}{\exp(-\beta \epsilon)+1}=m\frac{\exp(-\beta \epsilon/2)-\exp(\beta \epsilon/2)}{\exp(-\beta \epsilon/2)+\exp(\beta \epsilon/2)}$$
which is the same value for both.
 
Another way to check all of this is to write a system with energies ##-E_0## and ##E-E_0##. If you calculate the mean energy it will depend on ##E_0##, but if you write the other two quantities above, ##E_0## will vanish.
 
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pines-demon said:
Well the partition functions cannot be exactly the same because energies are slightly shifted so it matter for energy-level dependent quantities, for example if you calculate the mean energy ##\overline{E}=-\partial \ln Z/\partial \beta## you get:
  1. ##\epsilon/(e^{\beta \epsilon}+1)##
  2. ##\epsilon \tanh(\beta \epsilon/2)/2##
As ##\beta \to 0##, Eq.1 goes to ##\epsilon/2## and Eq.2 goes to ##0## (the average value) as you would expect because of the choice of energy reference.
You can see the shift a little more easily if you rewrite the first partition function ##Z_1## as
$$Z_1 = e^{\beta \epsilon}+1 = e^{\beta \epsilon/2}[\underbrace{2\cosh (\beta \epsilon/2)}_{Z_2}].$$ When you calculate the mean energy, the exponential factor contributes a shift of ##\epsilon/2## to the mean energy you get from the second partition function ##Z_2##.
 
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