Partition Function for N Quantum Oscillators

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The discussion focuses on calculating the partition function for N Quantum Harmonic Oscillators, where the energy levels are defined as E(n) = hw(n+1/2). The key equation presented is ZN = (ZN)/N!, applicable for indistinguishable, non-interacting particles. The user expresses confusion regarding the application of this equation to a system of oscillators, questioning whether it is valid given that oscillators can occupy the same energy levels. The conclusion emphasizes the need for clarity on the implications of indistinguishability and the potential for over-counting states.

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Homework Statement


For 300 level Statistical Mechanics, we are asked to find the partition function for a Quantum Harmonic Oscillator with energy levels E(n) = hw(n+1/2). No big deal.

We are then asked to find the partition function N such oscillators. Here I am confused.

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ZN = (ZN)/N! Where Z is the partition function for a single oscillator or particle.

This equation shows up a lot when I look for information on partition functions for N particles, but it seems to only apply when the particles are indistinguishable, non-interacting, and unlikely to occupy the same energy levels, basically an ideal gas. A system of oscillators seems to meet only one of these conditions (indistinguishable).

ZN = ZN

This also shows up a lot but only in the context of distinguishable particles.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to search for as many sources as possible and reason my way through this problem, but I can't come up with an answer in which I am confident.

Can anyone provide an answer and convince me that it is correct? Thanks
 
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Perhaps I'm overthinking this? If the oscillators are allowed to occupy the same energy levels then the partition function (which I understand to be the sum of probabilities of all possible states of the system) would simply be a string of statistical 'and' statements. So I could say that ZN = ZN?

Thoughts? Anyone want to tell me I'm wrong? Is there some subtlety I'm missing involving over-counting states with the same energy level distributions?
 

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