[Statistical Physics] Probability of finding # photons in the mode

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The problem involves calculating the probabilities of finding a certain number of photons in an optical mode of a cavity containing black body radiation at a specified temperature. The subject area pertains to statistical physics and quantum mechanics, particularly the behavior of photons as bosons in a given mode.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of probabilities for finding 0 and 1 photon in a mode, referencing relevant equations and questioning the implications of the mean number of photons exceeding 1.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the correct equations to use for calculating the probabilities. Some have raised questions about the nature of photons as bosons and the implications for the number of photons in a mode. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the equations being discussed, and suggestions for corrections have been made.

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There is a mention of constraints regarding the inability to edit previous posts, which may affect the clarity of the equations being discussed. Additionally, assumptions about the behavior of photons in modes are being examined.

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Homework Statement



A cavity contains black body radiation at temperature T = 500 K. Consider an optical mode in the cavity with frequency ω=2.5x10^{13} Hz. Calculate

a) the probability of finding 0 photons in the mode
b) the probability of finding 1 photon in the mode
c) the mean number of photons in the mode.


Homework Equations



Possibly <n> = \frac{1}{exp(\frac{\hbar \omega}{k_{b} T})}

The Attempt at a Solution



Plugging the numbers into the equation above gives the answer to c (I think), which comes out to 1.855. However I thought that you could only have 0 or 1 photons in a given mode.

Not sure how to go about a) and b).
 
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Photons are bosons. Bosons do not follow Pauli's exclusion principle. Any number (from zero to infinity) of photons may occupy any given mode.
 
Ah ok, so the mean number of photons might still be ok.

How do I go about answering a and b?
 
Just out of curiosity: how can you get <n> > 1 if all the factors in the exponential are > 0 ?
 
You've just made me realize the equation should have a -1 on the bottom. Can't edit my original post for some reason.
 
Ok think I've got the relevant equation for a) and b) now.

For any future readers:

P(n) = \frac{1 - exp(-\frac{ħw}{kT})}{exp(\frac{nħw}{kT})}

where n is the number of photons in the mode.
 
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Flucky said:
Ok think I've got the relevant equation for a) and b) now.

For any future readers:

P(n) = \frac{1 - exp(-\frac{ħw}{kT})}{exp(-\frac{nħw}{kT})}

where n is the number of photons in the mode.


Note that in your expression P(n) → ∞ as n→∞. So, it can't be correct since a probability can't be greater than 1.

Maybe you need to switch the numerator and denominator.
 
Ooh thanks for pointing that out, I accidentally put a minus in there.
 

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