"Statistical Thermodynamics" book by Erwin Schrödinger

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The discussion revolves around the book "Statistical Thermodynamics" by Erwin Schrödinger, with participants exploring its clarity, mathematical rigor, and suitability for students. The conversation also touches on other thermodynamics texts, including "Understanding Thermodynamics" by Van Ness, and seeks to understand the prerequisites and levels of these books in relation to the participants' backgrounds in physics and chemistry.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concerns about the comprehensibility of Schrödinger's book, suggesting it requires prior knowledge of statistical thermodynamics.
  • Others mention that "Understanding Thermodynamics" is more of a supplementary text rather than a primary source.
  • There is a question regarding the clarity and mathematical rigor of Schrödinger's book, with inquiries about the necessary mathematical methods for understanding it.
  • One participant suggests that Schrödinger's book may not be a primary focus for students until their senior year of college.
  • Another participant mentions the need for clarity on the level of "Understanding Thermodynamics" for a soon-to-be undergraduate.
  • There are discussions about the appropriateness of referring to authors by their first names, with some participants advocating for the use of last names.
  • Additional books are mentioned, such as "Atomic Spectra and Atomic Structure" by Gerhard Herzberg, with questions about its quality and prerequisites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the suitability of Schrödinger's book for beginners, with some suggesting it is advanced and others questioning its clarity. There are competing views on the appropriateness of "Understanding Thermodynamics" for undergraduates, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best resources for learning thermodynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with quantum mechanics and statistical thermodynamics, which may influence their perspectives on the texts discussed. There is also mention of the dated nature of some texts, suggesting limitations in their contemporary applicability.

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There's a dover book called "Statistical Thermodynamics" by Erwin Schrödinger, I have worked through "Concepts in Thermal Physics" by Schroeder and I think Erwin's book blends some of thermodynamics with quantum mechanics so I don't think I'll be able to comprehend it, anyways I just wanted to know if it's a good book in terms of exposition and clarity of the subject matter.

Also, there's another book by Van Ness called "Understanding thermodynamics", is that a good book, again, in terms of exposition and clarity of the subject matter. Are any of the books chemistry-centric?


P.S.- Even though I have not gone through quantum mechanics in a rigorous matter, I have still worked through Halliday and Resnick's "Physics"(both volumes)
 
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For chemistry centric try
Introduction to Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics by Smith and Van Ness.

“Understanding thermodynamics” is a series of lectures, i.e., to be used as a supplement not a primary source.

Schrödinger’s book is an advanced text, i.e., one should know some statistical thermodynamics before reading it.
 
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Frabjous said:
For chemistry centric try
Introduction to Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics by Smith and Van Ness.

“Understanding thermodynamics” is a series of lectures, i.e., to be used as a supplement not a primary source.

Schrödinger’s book is an advanced text, i.e., one should know some statistical thermodynamics before reading it.
What level is "Understanding thermodynamics" at? Can I as a soon-to-be undergraduate understand it?
 
SummeryWinter said:
What level is "Understanding thermodynamics" at? Can I as a soon-to-be undergraduate understand it?
Probably.
 
Frabjous said:
Probably
I'll see to it then...
 
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Is Erwin's above mentioned book clear in terms of exposition, is it mathematically rigorous, if so what mathematical methods would I need to work through it? How good is it really?
 
Why are you focused on it? I would not describe it as a book to strive for. A student focused on statistical mechanics might pick it up in their senior year of college.
 
SummeryWinter said:
Is Erwin's above mentioned book
By convention, one should refer to it using the author’s last name, i.e., Schrödinger’s book.
 
Frabjous said:
By convention, one should refer to it using the author’s last name, i.e., Schrödinger’s book.
Yeah, I was just lazy to type Schrödinger😅😅
 
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Frabjous said:
Why are you focused on it? I would not describe it as a book to strive for. A student focused on statistical mechanics might pick it up in their senior year of college.
I just found it so I wanted to know more about it since it was written by Schrödinger, that's all
 
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For Schrodingers book, Read the Book Overview on amazon. I think it is pretty clear on the nature of this book.
 
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gmax137 said:
For Schrodingers book, Read the Book Overview on amazon. I think it is pretty clear on the nature of this book.
I have already, I just wanted some more information about whether or not I could handle it yet
 
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There's another dover book called "Atomic Spectra and Atomic Structure" by Gerhard Herzberg, does anyone know how good it is and the prerequisites for it?


P.S.-Sorry if I seem too fixated on books, I just want a change of scenery(figuratively) after working through some sluggish problems.
 
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SummeryWinter said:
There's another dover book called "Atomic Spectra and Atomic Structure" by Gerhard Herzberg, does anyone know how good it is and the prerequisites for it?


P.S.-Sorry if I seem too fixated on books, I just want a change of scenery(figuratively) after working through some sluggish problems.
You should start a new thread. There is no guarantee that a person with knowledge of Herzberg will make it this far into this thread.

It is good, but dated. Today, I would describe it as a specialist’s text.
 
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Frabjous said:
You should start a new thread. There is no guarantee that a person with knowledge of Herzberg will make it this far into this thread.

It is good, but dated. Today, I would describe it as a specialist’s text.
Yeah, I think I'll start a new thread
 
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If price is a concern, I would start a thread asking for inexpensive books for a beginner in physics.
 
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Frabjous said:
Here’s a good free book that is suitable for your level.
Taylor and Wheeler - Spacetime Physics
https://www.eftaylor.com/spacetimephysics/
Oh, I know about this book, it's already been mentioned quite a few times in PF threads as an introductory book to astrophysics and astronomy, I saw a preview and I think I saw a Determinant or something related to linear algebra
 
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SummeryWinter said:
Erwin
Doyou know him personally? If not, why are you using his first name?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Doyou know him personally? If not, why are you using his first name?
To answer your first question, no I do not. As for the second question, I am sorry but as I said earlier I was too lazy to type Schrödinger in it's entirety, it's MY MISTAKE


Edit: I'll try to rise above my laziness and use full last names😄😄
 
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