Steam Condensation: Calculating Area for Experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and calculation of a condensing apparatus for a modified Tesla Turbine experiment. Participants explore the requirements for rapidly condensing exhaust steam to measure steam flow rates, including considerations of pressure, temperature, and materials used in the setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the experimental setup, including the use of an 8" PVC pipe and a finned copper counter-flow coil, and seeks guidance on calculating the area of the condensing apparatus.
  • Another participant suggests consulting a mechanical engineer or physicist for assistance and provides a reference document related to heat and pipes.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the reference provided and indicates that they had not encountered it in previous searches.
  • There is mention of the team's limited expertise, with one member having a physics background but lacking a formal degree.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of consulting a professional due to potential risks associated with the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculation methods for the condensing apparatus, and there are varying opinions on the necessity of professional consultation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculation methods and the adequacy of their team's expertise. There are also concerns about safety and risk management in the experimental setup.

Gary K
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Greetings,

I'm preparing for an experiment on a modified Tesla Turbine design and will need to condense the exhaust steam rapidly in order to measure the pounds per hour of saturated steam that goes through the system. Incoming steam could be as high as 90 PSI through a 1" pipe. As the turbine partially acts as a heat engine, we expect to see exhaust temps in the 215to 250 degrees F range under test conditions. We are wanting to measure up to 200 pounds per hour, but likely will not achieve that input. We are planning on using 8" PVC pipe with a finned copper counter-flow coil, pre-chilled in an ice bath. The question is, how would one calculate the area of the condensing apparatus. We looked into purchasing a vortex mass flowmeter, but the cost is prohibitive for this experiment. Thank you in advance for your input.
 
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Gary K said:
Greetings,

I'm preparing for an experiment on a modified Tesla Turbine design and will need to condense the exhaust steam rapidly in order to measure the pounds per hour of saturated steam that goes through the system. Incoming steam could be as high as 90 PSI through a 1" pipe. As the turbine partially acts as a heat engine, we expect to see exhaust temps in the 215to 250 degrees F range under test conditions. We are wanting to measure up to 200 pounds per hour, but likely will not achieve that input. We are planning on using 8" PVC pipe with a finned copper counter-flow coil, pre-chilled in an ice bath. The question is, how would one calculate the area of the condensing apparatus. We looked into purchasing a vortex mass flowmeter, but the cost is prohibitive for this experiment. Thank you in advance for your input.
Hi,Gary. Don't you have a mechanical engineer on your team, or a physicist may be? Here is a useful reference for you to digest. http://www.homepages.ucl.ac.uk/~ucecesf/tmp/heatandpipes.pdf
 
Thank you very much Ronie. I had not run across this in my searches.
 
We are still just a two-man team. One of us does have a physics background, but not a degree.
 
Gary K said:
Thank you very much Ronie. I had not run across this in my searches.
Yap, no problem Gary.
 
Gary K said:
We are still just a two-man team. One of us does have a physics background, but not a degree.
Though, I highly recommend you consult with a professional, especially when there's a lot of risk (life or property) involve in the experiment. Accidents could be avoided, you know.
 
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