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The discussion revolves around Stephen Hawking's claims regarding the nature of time in relation to black holes and the beginning of the universe, particularly in the context of his documentary "Curiosity: Did God Create the Universe?". Participants explore the implications of Hawking's statements on the existence of a creator and the concept of time before the big bang.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Hawking's claim of "no time" in a black hole suggests that there is no time for a creator to exist, implying that God did not create the universe.
  • Others argue that the perception of time inside a black hole differs from that of an outside observer, suggesting that time does not stop but is experienced differently depending on the observer's position.
  • A participant challenges the idea that the beginning of the universe was a black hole, stating that while both black holes and the beginning of the universe are singularities, they should not be conflated.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of Hawking's assertion that there was no time before the big bang, with some participants suggesting that this leads to theological implications regarding the existence of a creator.
  • Some participants express confusion over Hawking's statements, questioning how "no time" aligns with the theory of relativity, which suggests that time behaves differently based on the observer's frame of reference.
  • One participant notes that the "standard" cosmological model becomes undefined at "t=0", indicating that discussions about what occurred before the big bang are speculative and not subject to proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of Hawking's statements or the relationship between black holes and the big bang. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of time and the existence of a creator.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of current mathematical models in comprehending singularities, indicating that discussions about the nature of time and the universe's origin are speculative and depend on interpretations of theoretical physics.

  • #31
Cosmo Novice said:
Just as an aside, thankyou for the advice on Steven Weinbergs "The First Three Minutes" - I am about halfway through but reading going slow as doing between projects. :smile: And the boss keeps coming back to the office!

The book is very accessable and quite clear what Steven is saying - essentially it is cementing the foundations of standard theory for me while raising some important questions which I will address later in a new thread.

Do you have any other recommendations? Prefferably light on math - I am teaching myself some mathematics at the moment but am only qualified upto high school mathematics and until recently did no calculus since then which was a number of years ago!

Any links/recommendations appreciated.

Cosmo

One thing that comes to mind that's light on math (no equations at all, just some geometric diagrams) is "General Relativity from A to B" by Robert Geroch. I'm only half way through it but have found it very helpful in getting me familiar with "world lines" which you will see in some discussions on this forum, and which are helpful in understanding some of the concepts discussed here.

I'd suggest you do a forum search on "recommended books" since I recal several such threads over the last year or so and I think they generally give some idea of the math dept required to make the books accessible.
 
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  • #32
phinds said:
One thing that comes to mind that's light on math (no equations at all, just some geometric diagrams) is "General Relativity from A to B" by Robert Geroch. I'm only half way through it but have found it very helpful in getting me familiar with "world lines" which you will see in some discussions on this forum, and which are helpful in understanding some of the concepts discussed here.

I'd suggest you do a forum search on "recommended books" since I recal several such threads over the last year or so and I think they generally give some idea of the math dept required to make the books accessible.

Yeah I already did and have a nice long list, was just looking for personal recommendations :smile:
 
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Cosmo Novice said:
Yeah I already did and have a nice long list, was just looking for personal recommendations :smile:

Good. One thing I would caution you about is that the "math level" comments are sometimes WAY off from what they would be if one of us made them. I bought one book that was recommended as having "very little math / very easy math" and that is undoubtedly the case for the person who wrote the comment, but it is most emphatically NOT the case for me (well, the "easy" part was mostly true, but the "very little" was WAY off).
 
  • #34
Why Does E=mc2?: (And Why Should We Care?) is by Brian Cox and Jeff Forshaw

I read half of this a few years ago and it was pretty good. It doesn't have any math tougher than the Pythagorean theorem and it proclaims this quite proudly. I haven't taken any courses in university on special relativity yet but I think it did a good job of explaining it, in that I wasn't going "wait... what did he say," in fact the opposite happened. It went on to talk about space-time but I got distracted by other books and things so I never finished it.

I also saw his Wonders show and though I do agree that he's a bit funny acting and his accent sounds silly, I got past that pretty quick because what he was actually saying was far more interesting.
 

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