Stillness of Systems: Physics Laws & Double-Slit Experiment

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The discussion revolves around the concept of stillness in physical systems, particularly in relation to the double-slit experiment. Participants explore whether a system that appears still is truly at rest and if there exists a universal equation governing the stillness of objects. The implications of stillness on the accuracy of physics equations in the context of the double-slit experiment are also examined.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a macroscopic system that appears still is actually in motion and whether a universal equation exists to quantify stillness.
  • Another participant references the Uncertainty Principle, suggesting that knowing an object's momentum affects the knowledge of its position, which may relate to the concept of stillness.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions in the double-slit experiment's mathematical model, particularly regarding the idealization of slits and barriers as perfectly thin and absorbing.
  • A participant notes that stillness is just one of many factors affecting experimental outcomes, including uncertainty and environmental vibrations.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the meaning of "thin perfect absorbers" and the implications of idealized conditions in the double-slit experiment.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of stillness and its treatment in physics equations. There is no consensus on whether stillness can be ignored in the context of the double-slit experiment or if it significantly impacts the results.

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Limitations in the discussion include the lack of a universal treatment for stillness, the dependence on idealized assumptions in mathematical models, and the unresolved nature of how various factors like uncertainty and environmental influences affect experimental outcomes.

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Hi there,

I'm not sure if I read somewhere - but if we see a system (macroscopic usually) and it looks still, is it actually not still? Is there a universal equation that governs how 'still' an object is?

In the double-slit experiment, if we have the slits not being still, because we're calculating the paths possible for the system to reach point B as if the slits are in a certain position - they're 'moving' - can we safely ignore any stillness issues in any Physics equation without affecting the accuracy of the Physics equations?
 
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This question dates back quite a while, but am interested in knowing the answer.
 
Perhaps have a think about the implications of the Uncertainty principle. Prevents you knowing both the position and momentum at the same time. If the momentum is known (for example velocity = 0) then the position is unknown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

I'm not sure what the OP means by "safely ignore". Clearly this is a small scale effect that can be ignored in many situations.
 
The math for the double slit assumes infinitely thin perfect absorbers with perfect boundaries and interference free paths. To the extent that is not true, the results are distorted. The inherent vibration or uncertainty of the molecules at the boundaries and the resulting "non-ideal" interaction with the particle could be modeled. (but not by me)

So, stillness is but one of many factors that can effect experiments. I don't know of any universal treatment of stillness since it could be caused by uncertainty, vibration due to air currents, gravitational effects due to anything, or whatever.
 
meBigGuy said:
The math for the double slit assumes infinitely thin perfect absorbers with perfect boundaries and interference free paths.

What do you mean by thin perfect absorbers with perfect boundaries?
 
What do you mean by what do you mean by? (lol)

I think I know what you are asking, but I'm not sure how far I can take it. I'm just saying that the simplistic math assumes the slits and barriers are ideal. There is no reflection from internal surfaces of a thick barrier, that the boundaries are not jagged, and when the barrier is contacted it results in perfect absorption (and none if not contacted). In determining the area of the slit there are no angle of approach issues caused by barrier thickness. I think I should have added that the particle is dimensionless. After all, the path integral assumes the particle takes all possible paths and a thick barrier has effects on the possible paths.
 

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