Stokes's Theorem showing 2 surface integrals are equal

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The discussion revolves around applying Stokes's Theorem to demonstrate the equality of two surface integrals over a plane and a paraboloid that intersect in a closed curve. The vector field in question is given as F = , with the surfaces defined by the equations z = 2x + 2y - 1 (plane) and z = x^2 + y^2 (paraboloid).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the parameterization of the surfaces D1 and D2, with some expressing confusion over the use of variables and the correct limits for integration. There are attempts to clarify the boundary conditions and the application of Stokes's Theorem.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's parameterizations and suggesting alternative approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of the curl and the use of polar coordinates for parameterization, but no consensus has been reached on the final forms of the integrals.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted concern about the correct use of variables in parameterization, particularly the distinction between 'r' and 'u'. Participants are also grappling with the complexity of the integrals involved and the implications of the orientations of the surfaces.

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Homework Statement


Let F = <z,x,y>. The plane D1: z = 2x +2y-1 and the paraboloid D2: z = x^2 + y^2 intersect in a closed curve. Stoke's Theorem implies that the surface integrals of the of either surface is equal since they share a boundary (provided that the orientations match).


Homework Equations



show each of the following integral and show them that they are equal.
∫∫_{D1}(∇\wedgeF).N dS
∫∫_{D2}(∇\wedgeF).N dS

The Attempt at a Solution



I first found that the boundary is given by ]r[/U]=(cosθ +1, sinθ +1, 2(sinθ + cosθ) +3), 0<θ<2pi. Then ∫F.dr on this boundary = -3pi. Then I will try to show the 2 surface integrals equal to this.

But I have trouble parameterising the surfaces.
for D1, r = (u cosθ +1, u sinθ +1, 2r(sinθ + cosθ) +3), 0<r<1, 0<θ<2pi
for D2, r = (x, y, x^2+y^2), ,0<x^2+y^2<2x+2y-1

I tried to solve both but got really complicated integrals which I could not solve. Could someone please tell me if I have parameterise them correctly?
 
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sandylam966 said:

Homework Statement


Let F = <z,x,y>. The plane D1: z = 2x +2y-1 and the paraboloid D2: z = x^2 + y^2 intersect in a closed curve. Stoke's Theorem implies that the surface integrals of the of either surface is equal since they share a boundary (provided that the orientations match).


Homework Equations



show each of the following integral and show them that they are equal.
∫∫_{D1}(∇\wedgeF).N dS
∫∫_{D2}(∇\wedgeF).N dS

I presume the ##\wedge## symbol is supposed to be ##\times##, right?

The Attempt at a Solution



I first found that the boundary is given by ]r[/U]=(cosθ +1, sinθ +1, 2(sinθ + cosθ) +3), 0<θ<2pi. Then ∫F.dr on this boundary = -3pi. Then I will try to show the 2 surface integrals equal to this.

But I have trouble parameterising the surfaces.
for D1, r = (u cosθ +1, u sinθ +1, 2r(sinθ + cosθ) +3), 0<r<1, 0<θ<2pi

Don't use r for two different things. And I suppose the u is supposed to be r? So$$
D_1:~~\vec R = \langle 1 + r\cos\theta, 1 + r\sin\theta, 2r(\sin\theta+\cos\theta)+3\rangle$$

for D2, r = (x, y, x^2+y^2), ,0<x^2+y^2<2x+2y-1

I tried to solve both but got really complicated integrals which I could not solve. Could someone please tell me if I have parameterise them correctly?

You have done a good job choosing your parameters for ##x## and ##y## (for which you didn't show your steps). I would use the same ##r,\theta## parameters for ##D_2##. You might find it easier to calculate the curl in terms of the x and y variables, then make the substitution. Or better yet, use$$
\iint_S \nabla \times \vec F\cdot d\vec S =\pm \iint_{(r,\theta)}\vec F\cdot \vec R_r\times \vec R_\theta~drd\theta$$
 
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LCKurtz said:
Don't use r for two different things. And I suppose the u is supposed to be r? So$$
D_1:~~\vec R = \langle 1 + r\cos\theta, 1 + r\sin\theta, 2r(\sin\theta+\cos\theta)+3\rangle$$

Yes that's a mistake, u is the radius

LCKurtz said:
You have done a good job choosing your parameters for ##x## and ##y## (for which you didn't show your steps). I would use the same ##r,\theta## parameters for ##D_2##. You might find it easier to calculate the curl in terms of the x and y variables, then make the substitution

So for D2 is (r cosθ, r sinθ, r^2), 0<θ<2pi, 0<r^2<2r(cosθ + sinθ) -1 correct?
 
sandylam966 said:
Yes that's a mistake, u is the radius



So for D2 is (r cosθ, r sinθ, r^2), 0<θ<2pi, 0<r^2<2r(cosθ + sinθ) -1 correct?

That is not the same parameterization of ##x## and ##y## as you used for ##D_1##.

[Edit, added]. For your problem ##\nabla \times \vec F = \langle 1,1,1\rangle##. There is a typo in my last formula in post #2 which is too late for me to edit. All you have to do now is calculate$$
\pm\iint_{(r,\theta)} \langle 1,1,1\rangle \cdot \vec R_r\times \vec R_\theta~drd\theta$$with the proper sign to verify your (correct) answer of ##-3\pi##.
 
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