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The discussion centers on finding a sequence (a_n) where the sums of its terms converge for even and odd indices but diverge overall. The sequence a_n = (-1)^n is proposed, leading to alternating sums that converge to 0 for even indices and -1 for odd indices. Participants clarify that while the individual terms oscillate, the sums for 2N terms converge, demonstrating that the series diverges overall. The confusion arises from the interpretation of limits and the nature of convergence in alternating series. Ultimately, the logic is confirmed that while the sums for even and odd indices converge, the infinite series itself does not.
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Find sequence (a_n) s.t. \lim_{N\rightarrow \infty} \sum_{n=1}^{2N} a_n and \lim_{N\rightarrow \infty} \sum_{n=1}^{2N+1} a_n both converge but \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n diverges.

I have no idea where to start to be honest. I'm confused at how this is possible. Isn't it always just summed to infinity regardless of whether it's 2(x) or 2(x+1) where x-> infinity?
 
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a_n=(-1)^n
 
Can you explain how that works? I'd rather know what the problems means/is asking instead of really knowing the answer. I was guessing it had to do with alternating series, but I don't know what differentiates 2N, 2N + 1, and N.

Or does it mean that:
for the first sequence
(-1)^n = -1 + 1 + -1 + ... + (-1)^(2N) = (-1)^(2N) -> 1 as n approaches infinity
and same logic for the rest?
That would make sense I guess.

Edit: actually since there's an even number of terms for the first sequence and it goes -1,1, etc., then it should converge to 0. I would assume this is the correct logic to follow, but how is shown rigorously? Clearly, there must be something wrong in saying there is an even # of infinite terms.
 
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\sum_{n=1}^{N}a_n=(-1)^N
so the series doesn't converge. On the other hand
\sum_{n=1}^{2N}a_n=0\qquad\sum_{n=1}^{2N+1}a_n=-1
so both limits exist. Sorry I left it w/o explanation, I though it was this kind of problems where the answer is kinda tricky, but easy to verify.
 
Yeah, after a bit longer, I recognized the logic. Thanks a bunch! Is there a way to rigorously explain that \lim_{N\rightarrow \infty} \sum_{n=1}^{2N} a_n=0?
 
Since each member of this sequence is zero, the limit is zero as well.
 
I'm not really sure how you define member since in my belief, each individual term is -1 or 1. However, I'm assuming you mean member is not the same as term.
Is it valid to say <br /> \lim_{N\rightarrow \infty} \sum_{n=1}^{2N} a_n= (-1) + 1 + (-1) + 1 + ... = (-1 + 1) + (-1 + 1) + ... = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1+1) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 0 = 0<br />?
 
\sum_{n=1}^{2N}a_n=0 for every N, and so,
\lim_{N\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{n=1}^{2N}a_n=\lim_{N\rightarrow\infty}0=0
 
Oh. Makes sense. Thanks.
 

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