Strengthening In Aluminum Alloys

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The discussion revolves around the strengthening mechanisms in aluminum alloys compared to steels, particularly focusing on the influence of grain size on mechanical properties and the effectiveness of different strengthening mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that decreasing grain size generally increases mechanical properties in metals, particularly in relation to strengthening.
  • Another participant suggests that the professor may be indicating that in certain aluminum alloys, particle strengthening is so significant that grain size changes have minimal impact.
  • A participant mentions that the professor's claim pertains to all types of aluminum compared to steel, where grain size has a more pronounced effect on mechanical properties.
  • One contributor challenges the professor's view, arguing that at sub-micron grain sizes, grain size does affect yielding and that dislocation pileup is a recognized phenomenon.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for a resource that discusses theories related to aluminum strengthening mechanisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of grain size in aluminum alloys compared to steels, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific mechanisms like the Orowan mechanism and dislocation pileup, but the discussion does not clarify the conditions under which these mechanisms apply or their relative importance in different alloys.

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Hi everyone!

I have a question about mechanical properties of the materials. As I understand, when in metals microstructure the grains size decreases, the mechanical properties increases, specially metals strengthening.
But I have a discussion with one Prof. who says that this is a minor eefect in Al alloys as compare to the steels. In Al only an Orowan mechanism works. In this mechanism, the dislocation bends between the particles leaving a dislocation ring about each particle.

Is he right? Anyone can help me to find the strengthening mechanism in metals.

Thanks a lot.
 
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Your understanding is correct; grain size influences yield strength. (Anything that impedes dislocation motion in ductile polycrystalline materials increases strength.) However, perhaps your professor is saying that in a particular alloy, particle strengthening is so effective that changing grain size has little effect. Do you know what alloy he or she had in mind?
 
He means all kinds of aluminium as compare to steel where grain size have a big influence to its mechanical properties.
 
Rasputin,

Your professor must be nuts! When grains get down to the sub-micron level grain size most certainly will effect yielding. Dislocation pileup is a real effect and has been observed on TEM. Making blanket statements like that in Material Science is wrong!

modey3
 
Modey3, Thanks, I got this book and seems very good with good theories and their explaining.
 

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