Stripping ions from exchange resin

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of stripping hydrogen ions from a cation exchange resin, specifically one that utilizes polystyrene sulfonate, using hot water. Participants explore the implications of using water at elevated temperatures and the potential for ion exchange processes involved in this method.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effectiveness of using hot water to strip hydrogen ions from the resin, noting a lack of immediate decrease in pH at temperatures above 130 degrees Fahrenheit.
  • Another participant emphasizes that ions are replaced rather than stripped, asking what the hydrogen ions would be replaced with if only water is used.
  • There is a suggestion that while cations can be replaced with hydrogen ions through the use of an acid, using water alone would require impractically large amounts to achieve a similar effect.
  • A participant speculates about the possibility of removing hydrogen ions from the resin through dissociation, asserting that polystyrene sulfonate is a strong acid.
  • Concerns are raised about the expectation of obtaining a solution with unbalanced hydrogen ions and a resin with unbalanced sulfonate anions, questioning the practicality of this outcome.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about why there is no observed decrease in pH despite the theoretical expectation of ion dissociation when using hot water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the process of ion exchange and the feasibility of using hot water to strip hydrogen ions from the resin. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed method or the expected outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of using water for ion exchange, particularly regarding the practicality of achieving desired ion concentrations and the potential for dissociation. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the ion exchange process.

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I want to remove the hydrogen ions from a cation exchange resin. I believe it uses polystyrene sulfonate.
I want to strip the hydrogen ion from a cation exchange resin. Would it be feasible to do this using hot water? I've tried using water at somewhere above 130 degrees Fahrenheit I believe, but I didn't see any immediate decrease in pH. I believe the resin uses polystyrene sulfonate. Should I use boiling water? I'm concerned about degrading the resin. I want to use the deionized resin to remove the sodium from sodium bicarbonate. It would also be nice to be able to use the solution of hydrogen ions as well.
 
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Somehow I don't get what you say. Ions are not "stripped" but replaced. What do you want to replace H+ with using just water?

Resin that adsorbed metal cations can be regenerated by using an acid - H+ will replace the cations. You can get the same effect with copious amounts of water - cations will get replaced with H+ from water autodissociation (although amount of water required makes this process unpractical).

So, back to my question: what do you want to replace H+ with using just water?
 
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Borek said:
Somehow I don't get what you say. Ions are not "stripped" but replaced. What do you want to replace H+ with using just water?

Resin that adsorbed metal cations can be regenerated by using an acid - H+ will replace the cations. You can get the same effect with copious amounts of water - cations will get replaced with H+ from water autodissociation (although amount of water required makes this process unpractical).

So, back to my question: what do you want to replace H+ with using just water?
That is typically how it works, but couldn't I in theory remove the hydrogen from the resin? There should be some degree of dissociation, and I believe polystyrene sulfonate should be a fairly strong acid. I don't want to replace the hydrogen with other cations, as is typical.
 
So what then? Are you expecting to get a solution full of unbalanced H+ ions, and a resin full of unbalanced sulfonate anions? Good luck with that!
 
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mjc123 said:
So what then? Are you expecting to get a solution full of unbalanced H+ ions, and a resin full of unbalanced sulfonate anions? Good luck with that!
In theory there should be some dissociation of ions, and I can exchange water once it reaches equilibrium to continue removing hydrogen ions. I want to use hot water to encourage dissociation, but I'm unsure why I'm not seeing a decrease in pH.
 
Strange_matter said:
In theory there should be some dissociation of ions, and I can exchange water once it reaches equilibrium to continue removing hydrogen ions. I want to use hot water to encourage dissociation, but I'm unsure why I'm not seeing a decrease in pH.
Best to recheck post #3 what @Borek said.
 

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