Undergrad Structural differences between W, WC, and W2C?

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The discussion focuses on the purity analysis of a tungsten sample, revealing a spectrogram showing 66% tungsten and 33% carbon, raising questions about potential contamination. The researcher is investigating whether tungsten carbide (WC) could be a contaminant and if the observed carbon levels are due to the sample preparation process. A density measurement of 22 g/cm^3 significantly deviates from the expected density for pure tungsten, suggesting possible impurities. The researcher is considering simple tests to confirm purity and whether to discuss the findings with their principal investigator. The conversation highlights concerns about the accuracy of density measurements and the implications for the sample's purity.
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In my research group, I'm tasked with determining the purity of a tungsten sample sent from a supplier. Using FIB, we cut a 20 by 20 by 20 micron well into the sample and tested a wall of the well about 10 microns down from the surface.

After taking a spectrogram, there seemed to be a large amount of carbon, 66% W with 33% C by atomic percentage (tungsten carbide/tungsten semicarbide?)

Although we used 2 small strips of carbon tape to mount the sample (cylinder 2 cm tall 0.5 cm diameter), we don't think there should be that much carbon on the sample. I plan to do a simple density calculation to roughly determine purity tomorrow.

What is the next step in determining purity? Is there an obvious simple test I can perform (preferably without using expensive machinery first)? Is tungsten carbide a common contaminant of tungsten? Could this just be a small layer of WC on pure W?

This link is to the SEM and EDS images themselves http://imgur.com/a/qIwIL
(You're looking at a close up of the wall of the well)
 
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As a follow up, the tungsten cylinder was measured (rather crudely with a caliper but with a precise scale) to have a density of 22 g/cm^3, which (imho) is far from the supplier's guarantee that the sample was 99.9% pure W and as such would have an i(deal) density of 19.3 g/cm^3 at room temperature (which was calculated to be 19.5 g/cm^3 at 25 C).

Could the FIB work have this big effect on the sample (which had 1.2 cm hight with 0.3 cm diameter)? Could WC have formed on the surface?

Should I bring up the discrepancy with my PI? (again, actual FIB SEM work is in an imgur album in the original post).
 
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Given that the density of tungsten cabide is lower than that of tungsten, and a density as high as 22 g/cm^3 is only reached by osmium and iridium, I have some doubts concerning the precision of you density determination.
 
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