Structural Member Undergoing Pure Bending: Detached Mesh Regions

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The discussion revolves around a structural member undergoing pure bending, specifically addressing issues related to the finite element mesh in Abaqus CAE. Participants are exploring the behavior of the mesh, particularly in relation to gaps and deformation in the center region of the member.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a problem where the center region of a meshed structural member does not deform as expected, suggesting a potential issue with the mesh connectivity.
  • Another participant questions whether the solids are separate and if contact conditions have been defined, implying that only part of the mesh may be experiencing the load.
  • There is mention of reliefs on the sides of the beam, with some participants speculating that these may contribute to the observed issues.
  • Several participants suggest that the problem may stem from the mesh itself, recommending checks for continuity and proper spacing in the problematic region.
  • One participant indicates they have remeshed multiple times without resolution and considers the possibility of geometry import errors.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the term "relief" and discusses the implications of splitting faces versus solids on mesh behavior.
  • There are suggestions to merge geometry into a monolithic piece to avoid gaps, while others express reluctance to do so, preferring to maintain the current partitioning.
  • Participants discuss the need for bonded contact conditions if the solid is not merged, questioning how Abaqus would interpret the intended behavior otherwise.
  • One participant shares findings from a mesh query tool that identified gaps, leading to further inquiries about how to close these gaps effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether merging the geometry is necessary and how to handle the mesh issues. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the problems being faced.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential limitations related to the mesh quality, geometry partitioning, and the need for appropriate contact definitions, but these remain unresolved.

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I'm working on a structural member that is undergoing pure bending. The load is at the end of the member. I am modeled this as a 3 dimensional solid. I meshed using the bottom up approach and associated the meshed regions to their appropriate geometries. The problem I am having is that when I look at the deformed member, the center region does not deform as would be expected. Instead it remains static and there is an apparent gap at the bottom of the region and it looks like the top of the region intersected the deformed geometry. It looks like the center region is not connected to its surrounding geometry. I am not sure how to go about fixing this. Attached is a picture showing the member being tested and the deformed mesh.
 
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Are they separate solids, and if so have you defined contact conditions for them? Looks like only one portion of the mesh is seeing the load.
 
This is supposed to be one solid. There are reliefs on each side of the beam. The distributed load is located on the extrusion on the top of the beam.
 
What software package is this?
 
Abaqus CAE
 
Well all I can say is this looks like a mesh problem. You're going to need to fix the mesh such that its properly attached, whether that's going element by element or re-meshing the geometry. It is up to you.
 
I've remeshed about 3 times now and I get the same problem. I'm wondering if it's because of the relief? I'll probably post the file up here tomorrow.
 
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What do you mean when you say relief? Are you referring to the cutout in the sides if the beam which forms the thin web center portion, or is there a small gap which separates the beam's flange and web?
 
  • #11
I meant the cutout in the sides.
 
  • #12
There's definitely something wrong with the finite element mesh, check to make sure it's continuous and well spaced in the region where the problem is happening.
 
  • #13
I could not figure out the problem so I've included a link to download a zip file containing the necessary files. I have 3 variations of the model but I am only focusing on the model named "default".

Strut
 
  • #14
I'm sorry but I don't have the software so I can't help in that respect. I really think there's a fundamental error in your model where you've split the geometry into multiple solids or something and haven't defined contact regions.

Good luck.
 
  • #15
I split some faces, but not solids. If it's a problem with splitting the faces, then the problem would of showed up everywhere else I created a split.
 
  • #16
Did you import the solid through a geometry interface (like *.step or *.igs) , or did you construct it from scratch in Abaqus? Maybe there's an error in the geometry import?

The fact that the inner portion of the mesh isn't deforming means that the edges of the web have their own nodes, but there are matching edges from the portion of the mesh that deforms as well. Why did these edges get separate nodes instead of just one line of nodes?
 
  • #17
I created the geometry within Abaqus. I seeded the edge located in the cutout. I then seeded the edge located directly above it (in the z direction). I think that may be the problem. I will redo the mesh tonight with this in mind.
 
  • #18
Can you show a zoomed-in detail picture of the area you're talking about? From what youre describing it sounds like there's a gap there and you're meshing two separate edges, in which case you do not have monolithic mesh in the area...
 
  • #19
I used the query tool to find any mesh gaps and it found some. I've attached two pics. One shows the nodes on the edge of the cutout. The other shows the gaps. I'm not sure how to go about closing the gaps.
 

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  • #20
Can you merge the geometry into a monolithic piece before meshing? It might make the mesh not quite as pretty, but would guarantee no gaps.
 
  • #21
Mech_Engineer said:
Can you merge the geometry into a monolithic piece before meshing? It might make the mesh not quite as pretty, but would guarantee no gaps.

I don't quite understand what you mean. The geometry was modeled in Abaqus. It shouldn't have any gaps, right? If you mean merging the partitions into one, then no I would like to avoid doing this.
 
  • #22
If you don't want to merge the solid, then you have to define bonded contact conditions between the separate pieces right? How is Abaqus supposed to know you want this behavior otherwise?
 
  • #23
What I don't understand is that I should be getting gaps at all the partition edges. The attached image shows how I partitioned the solid.
 

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  • #24
Is there a setting for the meshing process which connects/integrates the adjacent sub-meshes?
 
  • #25
I'm not sure. That's what I've been trying to figure out.
 

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