Struggling with Mechanics? Need a Book with More Examples?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable mechanics textbook that includes numerous worked examples, particularly for topics related to rotating coordinate systems. Participants share their experiences with different books and suggest alternatives to Symon, which some find challenging without sufficient examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ben expresses difficulty with Symon, particularly in completing exercises from Chapter 3 onward, and seeks recommendations for a mechanics book with more examples.
  • Some participants recommend Marion as a good supplementary text, noting their positive experiences with it.
  • One participant suggests checking used book sites for affordable copies of Marion, specifically the 2nd edition.
  • Another participant mentions the Schaum's Outline for Theoretical Mechanics as a potential resource.
  • There is a consensus among several participants that Marion is a valuable resource, with one noting that their copy is quite old but still useful.
  • Some participants mention additional texts such as Kleppner's and Kolenkow's book, and Landau & Lifschitz for further reading.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of the newer editions of Marion and Thornton, with one participant citing negative Amazon reviews and suggesting that Thornton's contributions may have detracted from the original work.
  • Another participant confirms they were referring to the 2nd edition of Marion and has not reviewed the 3rd edition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is general agreement on the value of Marion as a resource, there is disagreement regarding the quality of newer editions and the impact of Thornton's contributions. Some participants express concern over the reviews of the current edition, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding which edition is preferable.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various editions of Marion and express differing opinions on the impact of Thornton's additions. The discussion highlights the importance of edition selection in the context of textbook recommendations.

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I am really struggling through Symon. I understand the mathematical proofs and perhaps the reasoning as well, but I really have problems completing any of the exercises. [I am speaking primarily of Ch.3 and later.] Without thorough examples worked step-by-step, I often find it very difficult to decide how to even begin solving the problems. Unfortunately, my prof doesn't do many examples either, so I'm at my wits end. Does anyone know a good Mechanics book with plenty of examples (particularly when it comes to rotating coordinate systems) that I could use as a second reference? A prof recommended Marion, but I can't seem to find a copy around here.

Thanks,
Ben
 
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I thought Marion was pretty good when I used it. I recommended it to my son as a supplement when he took Mechanics, and he liked it enough to buy a used copy. Check used sites like www.bookfinder.com if you'd like to do the same. He found an inexpensive copy of the 2nd (1970) edition.
Edit: You might ask your professor to loan you his copy for a week if you want to check it out!
 
a second vote for Marion...
You might also try to get a Schaum's Outline for Theoretical Mechanics.

Find in a library:
http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/top3mset/400f5a3ae4096a51a19afeb4da09e526.html
http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/top3mset/393a43cf6cd78a93a19afeb4da09e526.html (older)
 
Third vote for Marion.

My copy is 30 years old and getting a bit worn.

I have seen other books that do a much better treatment of rotational dynamics, but those tend to be graduate level texts.
 
Thanks for the tip, you guys. I'll see if I can find a copy somewhere.
 
Marion and Thornton's Classical Dynamics of Particles & Systems is what I use, along with Kleppner's and Kolenkow's An Introduction to Mechanics, although the latter is greatly simplified.
 
After reading Marion, just for fun, see if you can follow Landau & Lifschitz' treatment. Just for fun.

It should be a useful reading.

Daniel.
 
Marion, Schaums, then Goldstein and Landau. Know those and you'll know more mechanics than you'll ever want to admit.
 
Are you guys referring to an older edition of Marion? The Amazon reviews of Marion and Thronton doesn't seem very good.
 
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Are you guys referring to an older edition of Marion? The Amazon reviews of Marion and Thronton doesn't seem very good.
One of those amazon reviews says the problem is with Thornton's additions:
I don't agree with 5 stars..., October 17, 2005
Reviewer: Eunsin Lee (College Station, TX USA) - See all my reviews

There is only one reason : Stephen Thornton has spoiled Marion's original masterpiece. If you can get the 2nd edition, which Thornton didn't join yet, just compare it with current one. Except this, I dare to say this book is the best intermediate classical mechanics textbook. This was the bible of classical mechanics, but not any more.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0124722520/?tag=pfamazon01-20 you can probably find cheaper used copies.
 
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Yes, I was referring to the 2nd edition. I haven't looked at the 3rd.
 
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Thank you, JesseM and marcusl.
 

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