Stuck in AM Radio Mode: Ranting and Raving on the Airwaves

[TheStatutoryApe]

Funny how we never see liberal hate radio. If there was such a thing, I would be against it as well.

But I agree. They only care about their ideology and ratings; not what's best for the country.

I was a die-hard puritan free-market guy until I realized that it is a failed concept. I have changed my views because obviously Reagan [Stockman] was wrong.

The market for liberal talk radio, outside of entertainment, is virtually nill.
And despite that they still exist. Here in California there are spanish talk radio hosts that call everyone racists and assert that California ought to be part of Mexico anyway.
A while back the police shot a man and the spanish media made them out to be the villians because this man was supposedly a loving family man and these officers were just racists. They sort of left out the part about how he was a bigamist felon accused of raping his own daughter who had been deported and at the time he was shot was using his one year old child as a shield while shooting at the police.

Just today there was a march of people protesting the Oakland police department because a young black man who had raped a girl and shot four police officers dead was shot and killed. This was obviously because the police are racists and supposedly out to commit genocide. I wonder how that played in liberal media radio.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

The market for liberal talk radio, outside of entertainment, is virtually nill.
And despite that they still exist. Here in California there are spanish talk radio hosts that call everyone racists and assert that California ought to be part of Mexico anyway.
A while back the police shot a man and the spanish media made them out to be the villians because this man was supposedly a loving family man and these officers were just racists. They sort of left out the part about how he was a bigamist felon accused of raping his own daughter who had been deported and at the time he was shot was using his one year old child as a shield while shooting at the police.

That sounds more like Reconquista radio. Does it address anything beyond Latino issues?

Note also that you are implying that the desire some Mexicans have to take back land that was previously Mexican, is somehow a "liberal" issue, which is of course absurd. [Did you get that from Rush? ]

Just today there was a march of people protesting the Oakland police department because a young black man who had raped a girl and shot four police officers dead was shot and killed. This was obviously because the police are racists and supposedly out to commit genocide. I wonder how that played in liberal media radio.

So you didn't actually hear anything about this on so-called liberal radio. This was just some group of protestors.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

That sounds more like Reconquista radio. Does it address anything beyond Latino issues?

Note also that you are implying that the desire some Mexicans have to take back land that was previously Mexican, is somehow a "liberal" issue, which is of course absurd. [Did you get that from Rush? ]

Considering that a rather significant portion of the population around here is Latino and they have a say in our government the issues effect everyone, its not just "latino issues".
And you might be suprised at what constitutes "liberal" around here. Of course you have been here so I'm sure you have at least some idea but maybe your OC conservative friend makes it sound absurd and unlikely. I have a co-worker who used to live in Georgia and told me that until he moved here he thought he was liberal.

So you didn't actually hear anything about this on so-called liberal radio. This was just some group of protestors.

I was wondering, due to what the extreme liberal media around here has said in the past, what they may have said about this. These people would likely be their target demographic.

http://blogs.newamericamedia.org/na...we-come-to-grips-with-a-troubled-relationship
Fairly level but far more sympathetic than I think is warranted.

 

[maze]

I care because the level of hate they spout of should be sensored. It's way way over the line.

I cannot begin to explain how very very bad this idea is

 

[drankin]

I have a confession to make. I'm a hate radio addict. My name is so&so, and I am a brainwashed AM radio, hate speech, conservative... addict. LOL. The reason why liberal radio never makes it is because they can't hang. Seriously! I live in the Seattle area and I switch over to the only the liberal station all the time. All they do is make clever snides against a conservative idea and have virtually NO CONTENT. Then they ask for donations because they can't get any advertisements (because even their demographic won't listen). I've never heard a comparable (to their conservative counterparts) argument from these clowns. At least on this forum I get some meaty debate from the liberal types. The liberal media tries to get airtime but they can't put up an interesting show. It's like as soon as it's aired it loses it's point and resorts to... hate speech, but with emotional nonsense. And the rest of conservative shows make fun of them.

 

[Cyrus]

I have a confession to make. I'm a hate radio addict. My name is so&so, and I am a brainwashed AM radio, hate speech, conservative... addict. LOL. The reason why liberal radio never makes it is because they can't hang. Seriously! I live in the Seattle area and I switch over to the only the liberal station all the time. All they do is make clever snides against a conservative idea and have virtually NO CONTENT. Then they ask for donations because they can't get any advertisements (because even their demographic won't listen). I've never heard a comparable (to their conservative counterparts) argument from these clowns. At least on this forum I get some meaty debate from the liberal types. The liberal media tries to get airtime but they can't put up an interesting show. It's like as soon as it's aired it loses it's point and resorts to... hate speech, but with emotional nonsense. And the rest of conservative shows make fun of them.

Well, I'm not talking about conservative talks shows. I'm talking about stupid radio shows. I've listened to G Gordon Liddy show. He's very conservative, but I think his show is ok, and he's very respectful to all his callers. I don't agree with him, but his show isn't bad.

I've also listened to pin heads like O'rilley, Hanity, Savage, and a few other bozos and couldn't turn it off due to pure disgust.

 

[Argentum Vulpes]

I care because the level of hate they spout of should be sensored. It's way way over the line.

Oh boy here we go back to the bad old days of the Fairness doctrine, and other government control of the media. Honestly do you really want to go down that road of government control of the media, sounds like Pravda in the former USSR.

Another point to consider, how much will you be yelling and screaming if the government swings to a far conservative bent and starts censoring the blogs on the Internet that are very liberal in their content?

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.” --Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

 

[Cyrus]

Oh boy here we go back to the bad old days of the Fairness doctrine, and other government control of the media. Honestly do you really want to go down that road of government control of the media, sounds like Pravda in the former USSR.

Another point to consider, how much will you be yelling and screaming if the government swings to a far conservative bent and starts censoring the blogs on the Internet that are very liberal in their content?

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.” --Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

You really didn't read a word I said, did you?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

You really didn't read a word I said, did you?

You've said that they should be tested on a factual basis. But who decides what is fact? Just look at all of the government bozos out there who think ridiculous things are "facts" and how they love to go out and find scientists and experts who will agree with them perhaps for some donations or a cush job doing nothing but holding a title.
Look at the number of voters who listen to these ridiculous people on the radio and ask yourself whether or not you trust them to put a person in office who is intelligent, knows the "facts", and will appoint honourable trustworthy people to the position of determining what is "true" and what is "false".

 

[Cyrus]

You've said that they should be tested on a factual basis. But who decides what is fact? Just look at all of the government bozos out there who think ridiculous things are "facts" and how they love to go out and find scientists and experts who will agree with them perhaps for some donations or a cush job doing nothing but holding a title.
Look at the number of voters who listen to these ridiculous people on the radio and ask yourself whether or not you trust them to put a person in office who is intelligent, knows the "facts", and will appoint honourable trustworthy people to the position of determining what is "true" and what is "false".

The scientific community peer reviews all the time. No reason why others cant.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

The scientific community peer reviews all the time. No reason why others cant.

I'm fairly certain that scientific peer review isn't mandated by the government. Scientists do it of their own volition because it is in their own best interest. Why would the news media do it? They want to make money. They want their audience. Why allow your competitors the power to fine you and discredit you even if you are entirely on the up and up?

Edit: And if this is government mandated you still need to worry about who will be appointed to the oversight committee.

 

[Equate]

It should be a given that yelling at people on your show should get you off the air.

Don't you worry, it will happen. Howard Stern was kicked off the airwaves in the nineties - that was only the beginning. The recent "ethics" debate is the next step.

Pretty soon all we will hear on radio is soft pop and weather reports.

"Happy times" are heading our way...

 

[seycyrus]

It is tough enough having a family that is split. I asked my sister-in-law why she listens to hate radio. She replied: "Because they always tell the truth." She also still thinks Iraq's WMDs were sent to Syria.

I missed the part of the WMD report where they claimed that Sadaam never had any WMDs. I also missed the part where they claimed that every WMD that Sadaam ever had was accounted for in its entirety.

Then she goes on a tirade about how Jimmy Carter is totally to blame for the economic crisis.

Better than others who lay the blame entirely on Bush, ignoring the fact that patterns that led to this mess have been established for and maintained through many administrations.

 

[seycyrus]

And Limbaugh claims to be an entertainer.

Well the truth is, that little snipper by Miller WAS funny and ironic at the same time. Comedic genius. Using the point that many Americans feel that the average man on the street could do a batter job than Geithner.

 

[seycyrus]

I wasn't saying that it's free of flaws.

Does communism in practice have ANY successes?

 

[seycyrus]

No, I like racial jokes. I really like racial jokes. But I like them when they are told by someone who is funny: like, Russel Peters.

A joke is funny because of the way you say it. The way he was talking about the treasury being run by a korean grocery store owner wasnt funny. It was said as a statement, not in the form of a joke. The way he said it was flat out racist.

Oh, I SEE. *YOUR* definition of humor is the only one that is acceptable! Well, it's lame.

It was funny. It wasn't racist.

Korean store owners are known for their hard work and their ability to make their stores prosper from nothing to something!

Many people feel that a guy off the street with real experience might be able to do a better job than Geithner.

 

[seycyrus]

Funny how we never see liberal hate radio.

Err. that's because liberal talk shows FAIL.

They have no content, and try to get by with clever comments. Even their own demography tunes them out.

 

[seycyrus]

...
... or have they been brain washed by the endless barrage of lies?

Wait, I thought we were talking about conservative radio, not the mass media!

That was the point that obviously eluded you. I am guessing that it is most of them, which is anecdotally supported by the numbers.

NO, it didn't elude me. It was just such an obvious point to make that the fact that it was brought up amazed me.

I reject your premise about it being "hate radio". It is sometimes useful to allow the use of the term in order to facilitate discussion, but on a definitive level, I reject it.

The only good to come of it is that they may have destroyed the Republican party

So your desire to see the destruction of the Republican party is behind all oppositon to anything that supports the Republican party. No surprise to me, but it is nice to see that you are coming to accept this fact.

... And even now, they rant against doing anything to salvage the economy

No, they rant against doing *certain* things. They support doing certain other things. They like, have their own opinion.

when they have been the cheerleaders for the path to destruction.

Oh please comrade! Don't criminalize people for voicing an opinion.

 

[JasonRox]

You really didn't read a word I said, did you?

You're a communist from the USSR.

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[Cyrus]

Oh, I SEE. *YOUR* definition of humor is the only one that is acceptable! Well, it's lame.

It was funny. It wasn't racist.

Korean store owners are known for their hard work and their ability to make their stores prosper from nothing to something!

Many people feel that a guy off the street with real experience might be able to do a better job than Geithner.

Yeahhhhhh...no, sorry. This whole "there known to make something from nothing!" is a crock to justify his remarks. Adding insult to injury, making fun of his name being 'ping chang chong' isn't funny either.

Difference between us:
I find racial humor funny.
You find racist humor funny.

 

[NBAJam100]

Ive noticed 2 things I would like to point out:

1.) Cyrus loves drawing lines

2.) No one hates republicans more than Ivan. Even if the republicans were to end world hunger, Ivan would still have a gripe.

 

[DaveC426913]

I find racial humor funny.
You find racist humor funny.

They are one and the same. Zeroing in on racial stereotypes for a laugh. Granted, some cliches are more tolerable than others, and some are funny or not - but those are entirely subjective calls and don't stand up to principle.
(I too find racial humour funny, but I recognize the hypocracy and live with it.)

 

[Cyrus]

Ive noticed 2 things I would like to point out:

1.) Cyrus loves drawing lines

2.) No one hates republicans more than Ivan. Even if the republicans were to end world hunger, Ivan would still have a gripe.

Old age.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Ive noticed 2 things I would like to point out:

2.) No one hates republicans more than Ivan. Even if the republicans were to end world hunger, Ivan would still have a gripe.

Not true. But as a former Republican, I do hate what has become of party and what these pseudo-conservatives [aka neocons] have done to the country; most of all, for their rape of the Constitution.

I do despise the likes of Limbaugh for the garbage he promotes. I also think people like Savage are the scum of the earth.

I guess its like being an alcoholic. Once you have seen the light, you have zero tolerance for the warped mentality that goes with the addiction.

Let there be no doubt: The Republicans have earned my disdain. It wasn't always like this. You can thank the Bush family, Cheney, Rummy, Gonzo, and the rest of the Bush clowns for making a lifetime enemy of me. But that doesn't mean that I hate all Republicans. I just think they are mostly clueless - hopelessly addicted to a failed ideology that amounts to little more [these days] than liberal bashing; decrying the shadows and ghosts of their imaginations.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

btw, I'm an Independent, not a Democrat. Before Bush Jr. came along, I was pretty much split between the two parties - Daddy Bush converted me from a republican to an Independent. Perhaps that gives you some idea of just how much trouble the Republicans are in right now. Imagine how the die-hard liberals feel. But I guess the last election made this all pretty clear [see ratio of Dems to Reps in the House]. Obviously I'm not alone as a disgusted and outraged Independent.

 

[BoomBoom]

Freedom of speech is much too valuable to be messed with in any way, IMO.

Perhaps what we should do though is teach our kids how to be discriminate thinkers and not believe everything they hear, see, or read. Maybe have such a class in high school or something be mandatory. A healthy dose of skeptic thinking will never steer you wrong.

For every false claim made by someone from the media, there are probably numerous sources calling them out on it. The system has it's own checks and balances in a sense.

Censorship sucks!

 

[Cyrus]

Freedom of speech is much too valuable to be messed with in any way, IMO.

Perhaps what we should do though is teach our kids how to be discriminate thinkers and not believe everything they hear, see, or read. Maybe have such a class in high school or something be mandatory. A healthy dose of skeptic thinking will never steer you wrong.

For every false claim made by someone from the media, there are probably numerous sources calling them out on it. The system has it's own checks and balances in a sense.

Censorship sucks!

Provided you watch those other news sources.

 

[BoomBoom]

Provided you watch those other news sources.

Well, that's why I brought up the point that maybe we should be teaching kids before they reach adulthood how to be more discriminating in their thought process. Teach them to verify things before they outright believe them as facts. I assume a number of religious groups would be all up in arms about such a thing. "How dare you teach my child to question the truth!"

In the end, people will tend to believe what they want to believe, especially when it agrees with their personally held ideologies. But to start telling people what they can and cannot say would be leading down a slippery slope that heads to a bad place...essenstially destroying everything that freedom really stands for.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, that's why I brought up the point that maybe we should be teaching kids before they reach adulthood how to be more discriminating in their thought process. Teach them to verify things before they outright believe them as facts. I assume a number of religious groups would be all up in arms about such a thing. "How dare you teach my child to question the truth!"

In the end, people will tend to believe what they want to believe, especially when it agrees with their personally held ideologies. But to start telling people what they can and cannot say would be leading down a slippery slope that heads to a bad place...essenstially destroying everything that freedom really stands for.

Mmm, I don't buy this slippery slope argument. It's a weak argument made because, as you know, if we let this happen then before you know it guys will be having gay sex with athiest communist donkies infront of the children.

What 'slippery slope' - seriously.

 

[Count Iblis]

The problem in the US is that there isn't a good educational system. People who haven't had a good education are vulnerable to being indoctrinated. This is why you have millions of people who swallow everything that Limbaugh says as gospel.