Stuck in AM Radio Mode: Ranting and Raving on the Airwaves

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The discussion centers around frustrations with AM radio hosts, particularly Michael Savage and Sean Hannity, who are criticized for their hateful rhetoric towards political figures, especially Obama. Participants express concern over the tone of their commentary, labeling it as hate speech and suggesting it should be regulated for factual accuracy and respectfulness. Some defend Savage, arguing he provides entertainment and a unique perspective, while others highlight his controversial statements as harmful. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of censorship and free speech, with differing opinions on whether government intervention is appropriate. Overall, the thread reflects a deep divide on how to handle inflammatory political discourse in media.
  • #121
Count Iblis said:
The problem in the US is that there isn't a good educational system. People who haven't had a good education are vulnerable to being indoctrinated. This is why you have millions of people who swallow everything that Limbaugh says as gospel.
That's quite true. Much of our educational system is geared toward indoctrination, and doesn't accent critical thinking. Even in colleges, students are indoctrinated and there is the mind-set that the students shouldn't entertain independent thought until they have mastered "the basics". Our society is much the same, with various factions appealing to "authority" (of the proper idealogical mindset) to bolster their political opinions, while relieving citizens of the need to think for themselves. We should remember that years after it was proven that Iraq had no role in 9/11 countless millions of Americans accepted it as gospel.
 
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  • #122
Cyrus said:
Mmm, I don't buy this slippery slope argument. It's a weak argument made because, as you know, if we let this happen then before you know it guys will be having gay sex with athiest communist donkies infront of the children.

What 'slippery slope' - seriously.

That is your argument against the slippery slope concept? That's pretty weak in itself...

If government starts controlling what we can and cannot say, I can easily see statements that are critical of the government being somewhere on the list down the line as it becomes more acceptable for them to do so. Also, people are always pushing for censorship when they feel someone made an offensive statement, but it is our freedom of speech that holds them at bay. Once it's ok for government to censor speech, soon they could start getting their way. Why people think they have some sort of right not to be offended is beyond me...as a free person, I have the right to offensive.

I may be somewhat of an extremist on this subject because I also don't think that curse words or nudity should be censored either (at least not by government). It just seems stupid that we ban a word while allowing a synomym of that word with the exact same meaning.

I am just as disgusted by comments made by Limbaugh, Hannity, and the likes as any good liberal, but I also believe very strongly that they absolutely have the right to say it.
 
  • #123
... but I also believe very strongly that they absolutely have the right to say it.

I agree. But something is wrong if so many people actually do say these things and that there are a lot of radio programs where these things are said. That points to an uneducated public.
 
  • #124
Ivan Seeking said:
Not true. But as a former Republican, I do hate what has become of party and what these pseudo-conservatives [aka neocons] have done to the country; most of all, for their rape of the Constitution.

I do despise the likes of Limbaugh for the garbage he promotes. I also think people like Savage are the scum of the earth.

I guess its like being an alcoholic. Once you have seen the light, you have zero tolerance for the warped mentality that goes with the addiction.

Let there be no doubt: The Republicans have earned my disdain. It wasn't always like this. You can thank the Bush family, Cheney, Rummy, Gonzo, and the rest of the Bush clowns for making a lifetime enemy of me. But that doesn't mean that I hate all Republicans. I just think they are mostly clueless - hopelessly addicted to a failed ideology that amounts to little more [these days] than liberal bashing; decrying the shadows and ghosts of their imaginations.

Well put. I must say, I've always pictured you as some sort of... liberal hippie or something :-p haha.
 
  • #125
There is no slope here, slippery or otherwise. There is just a line. What you hear on the radio is covered by feedom of speech if it isn't an overt threat or obscene, just like freedom of speech anywhere else. Period.
 
  • #126
NBAJam100 said:
I must say, I've always pictured you as some sort of... liberal hippie or something :-p haha.
Ivan, a hippie? I'm shocked you would think that! :bugeye: :smile:
 
  • #127
Cyrus said:
Yeahhhhhh...no, sorry. This whole "there known to make something from nothing!" is a crock to justify his remarks. Adding insult to injury, making fun of his name being 'ping chang chong' isn't funny either.

Difference between us:
I find racial humor funny.
You find racist humor funny.

Cyrus, I think you're just in a bad mood.
Here..
(NSFW)
...listen to some Notorious MSG.
 
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  • #128
lol, wtf was that?
 
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  • #131
Could you summarize the article please.
 
  • #132
Cyrus said:
lol, wtf was that?

They have more. FOB 4 Life is one of my favourites.
 
  • #133
UN has passed a non-binding resolution making it illegal to criticize religion (presumably because such criticism would be "offensive" to religious people).
 
  • #134
Pythagorean said:
They're good theories, but they've been shown to have flaws (in terms of corruptibility) when put into practice. What we really should be trying to show is how capitalism may be similar in terms of "corruptability".

We need a new system, really. Democracy has a neat element of freedom to it that ensures a lot of securities, but the majority can be easily fooled and capitalism allows lobbying to manufacture "common sense" with $$$.

Understood, and agreed. Obviously communism/socialism isn't practical because there will always be people that prefer to be on top of the system, and people like to be rewarded. However, it certainly is a nice idea conceptually.

The two-party system will never fall as long as the United States exists.
 
  • #135
maze said:
UN has passed a non-binding resolution making it illegal to criticize religion (presumably because such criticism would be "offensive" to religious people).

I seriously doubt they made it illegal to 'criticize religion', I am sure there is a much more specific thing about the criticism they made, yes?

I see your point; however, I fail to see how its relevant to my point.
 
  • #136
Ivan Seeking said:
I wanted to quote this to make a rather interesting point.



In the 2004 Presidential election, 122 million people voted. Bush ended up with about a 30% approval rating by the end of his second term of office. 30% of 122 million is 37 million, which gives us about the same number of people listening to the shows listed above. It would reeeeeeeally be interesting to know how this maps to Bush's popularity. I would bet that it maps nearly 1:1.

I really doubt those are all unique, non-overlapping listening audiences. I'd be willing to bet that the same listeners follow a lot of those shows. I'd also be willing to bet there are a good number of liberals listening to those shows for the shock value, or just to gripe about them in their blogs later.

Still, I'm laughing seeing such a long thread about Cyrus being stuck with AM channels. I'd have turned off the radio before listening to more than a few minutes of any of those shows.
 
  • #137
PS, I still have not figured how to get back to FM! :cry:

My manly ways means I have to listen to CD or IPOD.

I'm being 100% serious when I say I can't turn the AM radio off because I can't believe my ears.
 
  • #138
I take it that the suggestions to push the pre-set buttons more than once didn't work? Have you tried pushing and holding other buttons? What type of car do you have? Maybe someone with the same kind will know how to work the radio...it shouldn't be THAT hard! :smile:
 
  • #139
Unless you have a no-name sound-system installed by some nameless shop on the corner of "thump, thump" and "pimp your ride" we should be able help. Post the make and model of your vehicle and someone here will jump in, for sure. Do not say Maserati GT or I will ask jimmysnyder to send some friends from the Republic of South Jersey to visit and gently choke you until you can hear FM more clearly. :devil:
 
  • #140
turbo-1 said:
Unless you have a no-name sound-system installed by some nameless shop on the corner of "thump, thump" and "pimp your ride" we should be able help. Post the make and model of your vehicle and someone here will jump in, for sure. Do not say Maserati GT or I will ask jimmysnyder to send some friends from the Republic of South Jersey to visit and gently choke you until you can hear FM more clearly. :devil:

I have the booklet, it's sitting in my basement right now. And I'll have you know I had a big time audio installer do it, with years of expert experience and charges top dollar - I did it :-p.
 
  • #141
Cyrus said:
I have the booklet, it's sitting in my basement right now. And I'll have you know I had a big time audio installer do it, with years of expert experience and charges top dollar - I did it :-p.
Remind me not to have you install my next audio system, big-time-installer. I can't stand AM and I want to be able to change radio bands without reading a manual and making multiple button-presses while traveling down the highway. :eek:
 
  • #142
turbo-1 said:
Remind me not to have you install my next audio system, big-time-installer. I can't stand AM and I want to be able to change radio bands without reading a manual and making multiple button-presses while traveling down the highway. :eek:

It's not my fualt. I installed it. I didn't make the radio itself.
 
  • #143
Cyrus said:
It's not my fualt. I installed it. I didn't make the radio itself.

You're the one who bought it with no AM/FM button. :-p What did you think you were getting, an iPOD with no buttons?
 
  • #144
Moonbear said:
You're the one who bought it with no AM/FM button. :-p What did you think you were getting, an iPOD with no buttons?

Actually, I bought it on ebay and it was really a good deal. New in the box for only 70 bucks including shipping. The wire harnes was another 18 bucks. I got a radio with an audio adapter for my ipod, cd player, and AM/FM for under 100 bucks total. I had to replace my old radio last summer because the CD/Tape player broke and I only had raido or my IPOD with a tuner that always got static. Now it plays nice, and loud when I am scooting along. :biggrin:
 
  • #145
Cyrus said:
Actually, I bought it on ebay and it was really a good deal.
Well, now we know why.

The eBay description said 'FM and AM'. It didn't say 'FM and AM and then FM again'...
 
  • #146
DaveC426913 said:
Well, now we know why.

The eBay description said 'FM and AM'. It didn't say 'FM and AM and then FM again'...

AHAHAHAHAH :smile:
 
  • #147
DaveC426913 said:
Well, now we know why.

The eBay description said 'FM and AM'. It didn't say 'FM and AM and then FM again'...

:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #148
maze said:
UN has passed a non-binding resolution making it illegal to criticize religion (presumably because such criticism would be "offensive" to religious people).
I'd like to see the resolution that you're referencing. This neither seems like something that the United Nations would do, nor something that is under their jurisdiction.

maze said:
non-binding resolution
lol ;-) Are there any "binding" resolutions? The UN has no true authority, other than the Security Council.
 
  • #149
jacksonpeeble said:
I'd like to see the resolution that you're referencing. This neither seems like something that the United Nations would do, nor something that is under their jurisdiction.

resolution A/C.3/62/L.35

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:QMZ3za1ofksJ:www.eyeontheun.org/assets/attachments/documents/6231.doc+A/C.3/62/L.35&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/hrcn1082.doc.htm
 
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  • #150
jacksonpeeble said:
I'd like to see the resolution that you're referencing. This neither seems like something that the United Nations would do, nor something that is under their jurisdiction.

A link from https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=304205

The council is dominated by Muslim and African countries. Muslim nations have argued that religions, in particular Islam, must be shielded from criticism in the media and other areas of public life. They cited cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad as an example of unacceptable free speech.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/26/un-body-oks-call-to-curb-religious-criticism-1/
 

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