Stuck in AM Radio Mode: Ranting and Raving on the Airwaves

[Ivan Seeking]

I wanted to quote this to make a rather interesting point.

From the thread linked; from Gokul.

Approximate weekly audience (in millions):

Rush Limbaugh - 13.5+
Sean Hannity - 12.5 +
Michael Savage / Dr Laura Schlessinger - 8.0+
Glenn Beck / Laura Ingraham - 5.0+
Neal Boortz / Mark Levin / Dave Ramsey - 4.0+
Mike Gallagher / Michael Medved - 3.75+

http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/10652/Personalities/Top+Talk+Radio+Shows.aspx

In the 2004 Presidential election, 122 million people voted. Bush ended up with about a 30% approval rating by the end of his second term of office. 30% of 122 million is 37 million, which gives us about the same number of people listening to the shows listed above. It would reeeeeeeally be interesting to know how this maps to Bush's popularity. I would bet that it maps nearly 1:1.

 

[seycyrus]

...would reeeeeeeally be interesting to know how this maps to Bush's popularity. I would bet that it maps nearly 1:1.

Yes, it is quite surprising that people who listen to conservative radio programs might support a conservative president...

I'm sending in my nomination for a Nobel Prize!

 

[lisab]

I remember back when AUX meant CD.

I would think AUX would mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auk" to you, Redbelly.

 

[Office_Shredder]

Yes, it is quite surprising that people who listen to conservative radio programs might support a conservative president...

I'm sending in my nomination for a Nobel Prize!

No, but it would be interesting if the only people who supported that conservative president were those listening to those radio programs.

That said, it's extremely unlikely that the 13 million listening to Rush and the 8 million listening to Savage have no or little overlap

 

[Zdenka]

One must remember, when you're debating about whether socialism is a good or bad thing, only democracy allows you to do that.

 

[Cyrus]

One must remember, when you're debating about whether socialism is a good or bad thing, only democracy allows you to do that.

What? Since when is it illegal to debate that in a socialist country?

 

[Nabeshin]

One must remember, when you're debating about whether socialism is a good or bad thing, only democracy allows you to do that.

One must also remember that socialism is an economic doctrine, and is completely compatible with democracy!

(You can have a socialist democracy, or a socialist monarchy, or a capitalist democracy, or a capitalist monarchy, etc.)

People seem to think socialism implies dictatorship. While it is true the two often go hand in hand, they need not.

 

[Redbelly98]

I would think AUX would mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auk" to you, Redbelly.

It auk to, but it doesn't.

 

[Count Iblis]

I accidently got into AM radio mode in my car for the last two days, and I can't figure out how to take it back into FM because there isn't a stupid AM/FM button. I had to have hit some funky combination of buttons to go into AM and now I am stuck. ANYWAYS, I've been stuck with this AM radio for the past few days now.

WoW.

This stuff is intense. One bozo is Michael Savage. This guy is a real jerk. He was saying stuff like: "See that, those evil white men with slide rules built the golden gate bridge in the 30s. With just a slide rule, those evil white men (sarcastically)."

Then there was Sean Hannity talking about how Obama wants to make this country have currency that's part of the world economy (think euros) and how were turning into a socialistic nation. On and on and on hating Obama, these two.

Now, I don't mind the if republicans disagree, but the tone of what these guys are saying is really to the level of hate speech. It's pretty absurd. Frankly, I'm shocked they have an audience. That scares me.

They weren't just against Obama, they were nasty about it - and I mean nasty. This Savage bozo wouldn't even call him obama, he called him 'chuckles'.

America should be split into a conservative part and a liberal part. You don't need to have a territorial separation, just issue two nationalities. You then have two presidents, two Supreme Courts, two armies etc. etc.

 

[Cyrus]

America should be split into a conservative part and a liberal part. You don't need to have a territorial separation, just issue two nationalities. You then have two presidents, two Supreme Courts, two armies etc. etc.

Mmmmmmm, that's a bad idea.

 

[DaveC426913]

Mmmmmmm, that's a bad idea.

It would be funny.

Imagine people living together operating under different sets of laws.

Driver1: "Hey! you just rear-ended me!"
Driver2: "So? I'm Liberal; it's legal."
Driver1: "Well I'm Conservative; I'm allowed to shoot you for it!"

 

[Math Is Hard]

It would be funny.

Imagine people living together operating under different sets of laws.

Driver1: "Hey! you just rear-ended me!"
Driver2: "So? I'm Liberal; it's legal."
Driver1: "Well I'm Conservative; I'm allowed to shoot you for it!"

"Say your prayers, hippie!" BLAMMMM!

There should probably be a border. Good fences make good neighbors.

 

[Office_Shredder]

It would be funny.

Imagine people living together operating under different sets of laws.

Driver1: "Hey! you just rear-ended me!"
Driver2: "So? I'm Liberal; it's legal."
Driver1: "Well I'm Conservative; I'm allowed to shoot you for it!"

That's good use of ambiguity: He wouldn't be allowed to shoot people who rear end him. He'd just be allowed to shoot liberals

 

[DaveC426913]

There should probably be a border. Good fences make good neighbors.

Well, that's a different ball of wax, since it would require relocating a very large number of people to create the segregation. Iblis' idea was to not make a territorial distinction.

(Or you could just make some sort of right-of-way through the heartland, connecting California to the East Coast... )

 

[drankin]

Well, that's a different ball of wax, since it would require relocating a very large number of people to create the segregation. Iblis' idea was to not make a territorial distinction.

(Or you could just make some sort of right-of-way through the heartland, connecting California to the East Coast... )

We could call it the pink belt!

 

[Cyrus]

Yeah yeah. The world according to Cyrus. My kid thinks the same way:

"Everything I don't care for should be eliminated. Everything I do like should get special treatment."

and

"The Government (or better yet, me) should have special magical powers that magically filter the factual stuff from the garbage, and eliminate the bad stuff. This power will never run afoul of the sensibilites of intelligent people (me), only of idiots (which it can magically distinguish between of course) and will never get out of control and infringe upon my rights."

and

"This should all happen without changing my right to live in a free country with freedom of speech and unfettered access to information."

Uh huh.

Now your starting to understand!

 

[jacksonpeeble]

What's so bad about being a Socialist? I'm a socialist.

I agree; I don't see the big deal about socialism. People in general seem to have this absurd fear of communism and socialism, probably since McCarthy. Even the teachers in my high school seemed to teach us that we should fear them.

 

[Pythagorean]

I agree; I don't see the big deal about socialism. People in general seem to have this absurd fear of communism and socialism, probably since McCarthy. Even the teachers in my high school seemed to teach us that we should fear them.

They're good theories, but they've been shown to have flaws (in terms of corruptibility) when put into practice. What we really should be trying to show is how capitalism may be similar in terms of "corruptability".

We need a new system, really. Democracy has a neat element of freedom to it that ensures a lot of securities, but the majority can be easily fooled and capitalism allows lobbying to manufacture "common sense" with $$$.

 

[Nabeshin]

I agree; I don't see the big deal about socialism. People in general seem to have this absurd fear of communism and socialism, probably since McCarthy. Even the teachers in my high school seemed to teach us that we should fear them.

You don't seem to understand. When the reds get their way like they will now that obama's in power 90% of America will turn gay, people will start eating babies, and apple pie will be outlawed.

Not a world I want to live in. So tell me: do you now or have you ever had any affiliations with the communist party?

 

[rootX]

They're good theories, but they've been shown to have flaws (in terms of corruptibility) when put into practice.

By whom?

I never liked mine history class. I remember reading a poem about how winners write the history.

 

[seycyrus]

I agree; I don't see the big deal about socialism. People in general seem to have this absurd fear of communism and socialism, probably since McCarthy. Even the teachers in my high school seemed to teach us that we should fear them.

The ideal communist state has never been achieved. Rather it has always ended up closer to some pseudo-social-communism.

Given that, communism applied in the real world has always lent itself to virtual despotism within 5 years of being implemented.

 

[seycyrus]

By whom?

Stalin...

Mao...

Pol Pot...

 

[Count Iblis]

When machines and robots take over from us, we'll need a communist plan economy. If the production of all goods is 100% automized including the building of factories then the whole system can grow out of control if it isn't regulated.

 

[Cyrus]

I double clicked the button and it didnt go to FM, help!

I had to listen to Dennis Miller on the way to the supermarket just now. He's another racist. He was talking about how the guy in the treasury should be replaced with a Korean Grocery because there good at 'adding up the columns', and that he would have a cool name like ching-chong.

Oh, BTW. These clowns are all on "THE FREEDOM CHANNEL".

 

[Count Iblis]

This is something you could try:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_jamming

 

[Redbelly98]

I'm a man. I don't need no stinking 'users manual'.

I double clicked the button and it didnt go to FM, help!

Seriously, do you still have the manual or not?

Or, if you can do an online search and find it online, post the link. Someone else can look up how to get back to FM, and your manliness will still be intact ... as will theirs, since they're not using the manual to solve any of their own problems

 

[seycyrus]

I double clicked the button and it didnt go to FM, help!
...
I had to listen to Dennis Miller on the way to the supermarket just now. He's another racist. He was talking about how the guy in the treasury should be replaced with a Korean Grocery because there good at 'adding up the columns', and that he would have a cool name like ching-chong.
...

You realize that Miller is/was a comedian.

 

[edward]

America should be split into a conservative part and a liberal part. You don't need to have a territorial separation, just issue two nationalities. You then have two presidents, two Supreme Courts, two armies etc. etc.

It is tough enough having a family that is split. I asked my sister-in-law why she listens to hate radio. She replied: "Because they always tell the truth." She also still thinks Iraq's WMDs were sent to Syria.

Then she goes on a tirade about how Jimmy Carter is totally to blame for the economic crisis.

Family occasions are pure hell.

 

[edward]

You realize that Miller is/was a comedian.

And Limbaugh claims to be an entertainer.

 

[rootX]

Stalin...

Mao...

Pol Pot...

I remember reading a poem about how winners write the history.

I wasn't saying that it's free of flaws.

 

[rootX]

Or, if you can do an online search and find it online, post the link. Someone else can look up how to get back to FM, and your manliness will still be intact ... as will theirs, since they're not using the manual to solve any of their own problems

I was also going to say that. It should be easier to get the model or other information enough to google out the manual

 

[Count Iblis]

It is tough enough having a family that is split. I asked my sister-in-law why she listens to hate radio. She replied: "Because they always tell the truth." She also still thinks Iraq's WMDs were sent to Syria.

Then she goes on a tirade about how Jimmy Carter is totally to blame for the economic crisis.

Family occasions are pure hell.

In today's world you have many people with one nationality living in some other country. The fact that so many things can be done remotely via the electronic media means that the place where you actually live is becoming much less relevant.

Creating a new nationality in the US can be done relatively easily in the near future. If you have a virtual Congress and Senate, the actual buildings being historical relics, then all that needs to be done is to create official websites for the new conservative senate, congress, supreme court, White House, etc. etc.

If Palin is elected president of the conservative Republic, she can stay in Alaska and log on to the conservative White House from there.

If you are registered as a conservative American, your taxes go to the conservative government.

 

[Cyrus]

You realize that Miller is/was a comedian.

There is a line between funny and racist. He isn't funny, nor was what he was saying a joke.

 

[DaveC426913]

There is a line between funny and racist.

I disagree. There is a great deal of overlap. May be sad, but that's the truth of it.

 

[Cyrus]

I disagree. There is a great deal of overlap. May be sad, but that's the truth of it.

No, I like racial jokes. I really like racial jokes. But I like them when they are told by someone who is funny: like, Russel Peters.

A joke is funny because of the way you say it. The way he was talking about the treasury being run by a korean grocery store owner wasnt funny. It was said as a statement, not in the form of a joke. The way he said it was flat out racist.

 

[DaveC426913]

The way he was talking about the treasury being run by a korean grocery store owner wasnt funny. It was said as a statement, not in the form of a joke. The way he said it was flat out racist.

It is deliberate. They're called shock jocks for a reason. Their intent is to inflame, not to be factual. This generates calls. Same thing with many newspaper editors. You don't get eyes (and ears) by espousing reasonable, rational viewpoints.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Yes, it is quite surprising that people who listen to conservative radio programs might support a conservative president...

I'm sending in my nomination for a Nobel Prize!

If you are done being a smart ***, then consider that these idiots may have changed the course of history.

Do people listen because they are so-called conservatives, or have they been brain washed by the endless barrage of lies? Beyond that, how many Bush supporters listen to hate radio? That was the point that obviously eluded you. I am guessing that it is most of them, which is anecdotally supported by the numbers.

I have seen people changed by hate radio. In fact, I believe that it is in large part responsible for the polarization that we've seen in this country over the last ten years. To put it bluntly, they are helping to destroy the nation.

The only good to come of it is that they may have destroyed the Republican party - not to mention that in a way, Limbaugh helped to make Obama possible. And even now, they rant against doing anything to salvage the economy when they have been the cheerleaders for the path to destruction. I liked what Sam Donalson said about this. He pointed out that Republicans almost unanimously opposed Roosevelt and The New Deal. Fifty years later, the Republicans finally came back to power in Congress.

 

[rootX]

I have seen people changed by hate radio. In fact, I believe that it is in large part responsible for the polarization that we've seen in this country over the last ten years. To put it bluntly, they are helping to destroy the nation.

I was also thinking about this recently. If these guys (including liberals) are serving their own ideologies or national interests.

IMO, all they care about is their own ideologies - they really don't care about where the nation is going.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I was also thinking about this recently. If these guys (including liberals) are serving their own ideologies or national interests.

IMO, all they care about is their own ideologies - they really don't care about where the nation is going.

Funny how we never see liberal hate radio. If there was such a thing, I would be against it as well.

But I agree. They only care about their ideology and ratings; not what's best for the country.

I was a die-hard puritan free-market guy until I realized that it is a failed concept. I have changed my views because obviously Reagan [Stockman] was wrong.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Btw, I lost one of my oldest friends to hate radio. The guy is absolutely intolerable now. I have another friend who complains about the same thing in regards to an old friend of his. Every time he visits I get an earful about what so and so is saying now.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Funny how we never see liberal hate radio. If there was such a thing, I would be against it as well.

But I agree. They only care about their ideology and ratings; not what's best for the country.

I was a die-hard puritan free-market guy until I realized that it is a failed concept. I have changed my views because obviously Reagan [Stockman] was wrong.

The market for liberal talk radio, outside of entertainment, is virtually nill.
And despite that they still exist. Here in California there are spanish talk radio hosts that call everyone racists and assert that California ought to be part of Mexico anyway.
A while back the police shot a man and the spanish media made them out to be the villians because this man was supposedly a loving family man and these officers were just racists. They sort of left out the part about how he was a bigamist felon accused of raping his own daughter who had been deported and at the time he was shot was using his one year old child as a shield while shooting at the police.

Just today there was a march of people protesting the Oakland police department because a young black man who had raped a girl and shot four police officers dead was shot and killed. This was obviously because the police are racists and supposedly out to commit genocide. I wonder how that played in liberal media radio.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

The market for liberal talk radio, outside of entertainment, is virtually nill.
And despite that they still exist. Here in California there are spanish talk radio hosts that call everyone racists and assert that California ought to be part of Mexico anyway.
A while back the police shot a man and the spanish media made them out to be the villians because this man was supposedly a loving family man and these officers were just racists. They sort of left out the part about how he was a bigamist felon accused of raping his own daughter who had been deported and at the time he was shot was using his one year old child as a shield while shooting at the police.

That sounds more like Reconquista radio. Does it address anything beyond Latino issues?

Note also that you are implying that the desire some Mexicans have to take back land that was previously Mexican, is somehow a "liberal" issue, which is of course absurd. [Did you get that from Rush? ]

Just today there was a march of people protesting the Oakland police department because a young black man who had raped a girl and shot four police officers dead was shot and killed. This was obviously because the police are racists and supposedly out to commit genocide. I wonder how that played in liberal media radio.

So you didn't actually hear anything about this on so-called liberal radio. This was just some group of protestors.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

That sounds more like Reconquista radio. Does it address anything beyond Latino issues?

Note also that you are implying that the desire some Mexicans have to take back land that was previously Mexican, is somehow a "liberal" issue, which is of course absurd. [Did you get that from Rush? ]

Considering that a rather significant portion of the population around here is Latino and they have a say in our government the issues effect everyone, its not just "latino issues".
And you might be suprised at what constitutes "liberal" around here. Of course you have been here so I'm sure you have at least some idea but maybe your OC conservative friend makes it sound absurd and unlikely. I have a co-worker who used to live in Georgia and told me that until he moved here he thought he was liberal.

So you didn't actually hear anything about this on so-called liberal radio. This was just some group of protestors.

I was wondering, due to what the extreme liberal media around here has said in the past, what they may have said about this. These people would likely be their target demographic.

http://blogs.newamericamedia.org/na...we-come-to-grips-with-a-troubled-relationship
Fairly level but far more sympathetic than I think is warranted.

 

[maze]

I care because the level of hate they spout of should be sensored. It's way way over the line.

I cannot begin to explain how very very bad this idea is

 

[drankin]

I have a confession to make. I'm a hate radio addict. My name is so&so, and I am a brainwashed AM radio, hate speech, conservative... addict. LOL. The reason why liberal radio never makes it is because they can't hang. Seriously! I live in the Seattle area and I switch over to the only the liberal station all the time. All they do is make clever snides against a conservative idea and have virtually NO CONTENT. Then they ask for donations because they can't get any advertisements (because even their demographic won't listen). I've never heard a comparable (to their conservative counterparts) argument from these clowns. At least on this forum I get some meaty debate from the liberal types. The liberal media tries to get airtime but they can't put up an interesting show. It's like as soon as it's aired it loses it's point and resorts to... hate speech, but with emotional nonsense. And the rest of conservative shows make fun of them.

 

[Cyrus]

I have a confession to make. I'm a hate radio addict. My name is so&so, and I am a brainwashed AM radio, hate speech, conservative... addict. LOL. The reason why liberal radio never makes it is because they can't hang. Seriously! I live in the Seattle area and I switch over to the only the liberal station all the time. All they do is make clever snides against a conservative idea and have virtually NO CONTENT. Then they ask for donations because they can't get any advertisements (because even their demographic won't listen). I've never heard a comparable (to their conservative counterparts) argument from these clowns. At least on this forum I get some meaty debate from the liberal types. The liberal media tries to get airtime but they can't put up an interesting show. It's like as soon as it's aired it loses it's point and resorts to... hate speech, but with emotional nonsense. And the rest of conservative shows make fun of them.

Well, I'm not talking about conservative talks shows. I'm talking about stupid radio shows. I've listened to G Gordon Liddy show. He's very conservative, but I think his show is ok, and he's very respectful to all his callers. I don't agree with him, but his show isn't bad.

I've also listened to pin heads like O'rilley, Hanity, Savage, and a few other bozos and couldn't turn it off due to pure disgust.

 

[Argentum Vulpes]

I care because the level of hate they spout of should be sensored. It's way way over the line.

Oh boy here we go back to the bad old days of the Fairness doctrine, and other government control of the media. Honestly do you really want to go down that road of government control of the media, sounds like Pravda in the former USSR.

Another point to consider, how much will you be yelling and screaming if the government swings to a far conservative bent and starts censoring the blogs on the Internet that are very liberal in their content?

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.” --Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

 

[Cyrus]

Oh boy here we go back to the bad old days of the Fairness doctrine, and other government control of the media. Honestly do you really want to go down that road of government control of the media, sounds like Pravda in the former USSR.

Another point to consider, how much will you be yelling and screaming if the government swings to a far conservative bent and starts censoring the blogs on the Internet that are very liberal in their content?

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.” --Pastor Martin Niemöller, 1945

You really didn't read a word I said, did you?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

You really didn't read a word I said, did you?

You've said that they should be tested on a factual basis. But who decides what is fact? Just look at all of the government bozos out there who think ridiculous things are "facts" and how they love to go out and find scientists and experts who will agree with them perhaps for some donations or a cush job doing nothing but holding a title.
Look at the number of voters who listen to these ridiculous people on the radio and ask yourself whether or not you trust them to put a person in office who is intelligent, knows the "facts", and will appoint honourable trustworthy people to the position of determining what is "true" and what is "false".

 

[Cyrus]

You've said that they should be tested on a factual basis. But who decides what is fact? Just look at all of the government bozos out there who think ridiculous things are "facts" and how they love to go out and find scientists and experts who will agree with them perhaps for some donations or a cush job doing nothing but holding a title.
Look at the number of voters who listen to these ridiculous people on the radio and ask yourself whether or not you trust them to put a person in office who is intelligent, knows the "facts", and will appoint honourable trustworthy people to the position of determining what is "true" and what is "false".

The scientific community peer reviews all the time. No reason why others cant.