Students picking apples, 40* ladder on fence

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The problem involves two children attempting to pick apples from the other side of a 1.5m high fence using a ladder positioned at a 40° angle to the horizontal. The challenge is to determine how far up the ladder the lighter child can climb before the ladder tips over, considering the weights of both children.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of torque equilibrium, questioning the correctness of their approach and the equations used. There is mention of balancing torques and the relationship between the masses and distances from the pivot point.

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Some participants have shared their calculations and reasoning, while others are seeking clarification on the steps taken. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem setup and the assumptions involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the correctness of their equations and the lack of similar examples in their textbooks. The problem's constraints, including the ladder's negligible mass and the presence of a pivot point, are under discussion.

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Homework Statement


Two kids are trying to pick some apples that are on the other side of the fence which is 1.5m high. Since there is a vicious dog on the other side, they decided to use a ladder and lean it against the fence. The ladder of negligible mass is placed at an angle of 40° to the horizontal. One kid of mass 50 kg stands at the bottom of the ladder while another kid of mass 40 kg goes up the ladder. How far up along the ladder can the lighter kid go before it tips over?

Homework Equations


dont know if this is correct. Mass1Radius1=Mass2Radius2 could not find examples in my textbook that are similar

The Attempt at a Solution


the answer i got was 2.91 meters but its not an option.
The book says for a system like this to be equilibrium that equation must be true. not sure how to approach this problem.
 
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clos561 said:

Homework Statement


Two kids are trying to pick some apples that are on the other side of the fence which is 1.5m high. Since there is a vicious dog on the other side, they decided to use a ladder and lean it against the fence. The ladder of negligible mass is placed at an angle of 40° to the horizontal. One kid of mass 50 kg stands at the bottom of the ladder while another kid of mass 40 kg goes up the ladder. How far up along the ladder can the lighter kid go before it tips over?

Homework Equations


dont know if this is correct. Mass1Radius1=Mass2Radius2 could not find examples in my textbook that are similar

The Attempt at a Solution


the answer i got was 2.91 meters but its not an option.
The book says for a system like this to be equilibrium that equation must be true. not sure how to approach this problem.
It would be nice if you showed your work. It seems you did this:
[tex]\frac{1.5}{sin(\frac{40}{180}\pi)}\frac{50}{40} = 2.92[/tex]

Is that what you did? Were you balancing the torque about the point in contact with the fence?
 
yes that is what i did.
 
clos561 said:
yes that is what i did.

The distance up the ladder is equal to that quantity plus the distance to the pivot. Add 1.5/sin(40 degrees) to your answer.
 

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