Studying physics INDEPENDANTLY. Suggestions?

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The discussion revolves around how to study physics independently, particularly for someone with a limited math background. Participants share resources, suggestions for textbooks, and strategies for learning physics in a logical sequence, from basic concepts to advanced topics like quantum mechanics and theoretical physics.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to learn physics sequentially, starting from basic concepts and progressing to advanced topics, while also needing to learn the necessary mathematics alongside.
  • Several participants recommend specific textbooks, such as "Physics" by Cutnell and Johnson, "Understanding Physics" by Cummings/Laws/Redish/Cooney, and "Physics for Scientists & Engineers" by Serway & Jewett, suggesting these as starting points based on the learner's math background.
  • Links to various educational resources are shared, including MIT's OpenCourseWare and a website by Gerard 't Hooft, which some participants find helpful for structuring their learning path.
  • One participant suggests checking college websites for course sequences and syllabi to understand the prerequisites for physics majors.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of mastering calculus and linear algebra before moving on to differential equations.
  • There is a humorous exchange regarding the focus on theoretical physics versus practical job prospects in physics education.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of a structured approach to learning physics and the necessity of foundational math skills. However, there are differing opinions on which specific resources or textbooks are most appropriate for starting out, and no consensus is reached on a single best path forward.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the challenge of finding a single textbook that covers all desired topics in depth, indicating that multiple resources may be necessary. The discussion also highlights varying levels of math proficiency among participants, which affects their recommendations.

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First off, let it be noted that I'm not yet of age to go to university, and my high-school courses simply aren't challenging enough, so I always interest myself in studies of my own; in the last few years, I've studied linguistics, psychology, and biology... But I know next to nothing about physics! :zzz:

So the question is; where can I learn things in a logical, sequential order? That is, starting from fairly basic physics, and progressing eventually into quantum mechanics, theoretical physics, whatever else interests me. Keep in mind that I don't have a very great math background, so I'll need to learn the math alongside the physics. Without a classroom environment, it seems challenging to know what to read, when to read it, and what I need to know first.

I'm willing to buy textbooks if I can find them anywhere, and the attachment below is a list of textbooks I currently have easy access to. There are plenty, but a sequential order is the problem. Any help would be appreciated. :)
 

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I am a college sophomore this year and I have taken algebra based physics and this semester i am in the first calculus based physics class. I don't know what math level you are or what classes you have taken but this is my thought...
*Follow the website above for great help on order.
*If you have not taken calculus pick up a algebra based physics book and start there. The one I used in my class was Cutnell and Johnson "Physics"
*If you have taken calculus, start with the calc based stuff. Again my book is... "Understanding Physics" by Cummings/Laws/Redish/Cooney.
*If there is a college near you that you can do a dual enrollment in that might take some of the uncertainty out of it as well. I know a few people who are doing the dual enrollment and find it very helpful and as a way to continue on and be challenged.

I hope this helps a little. Best of luck to you.
 
Übermensch said:
First off, let it be noted that I'm not yet of age to go to university, and my high-school courses simply aren't challenging enough, so I always interest myself in studies of my own; in the last few years, I've studied linguistics, psychology, and biology... But I know next to nothing about physics! :zzz:

So the question is; where can I learn things in a logical, sequential order? That is, starting from fairly basic physics, and progressing eventually into quantum mechanics, theoretical physics, whatever else interests me. Keep in mind that I don't have a very great math background, so I'll need to learn the math alongside the physics. Without a classroom environment, it seems challenging to know what to read, when to read it, and what I need to know first.

I'm willing to buy textbooks if I can find them anywhere, and the attachment below is a list of textbooks I currently have easy access to. There are plenty, but a sequential order is the problem. Any help would be appreciated. :)

There's seldom just one book that will cover ALL of what you want here, at least, not in any appreciable depth. I would suggest you study elementary physics that they teach in First Year intro physics. So texts such as Halliday and Resnick would be something I would suggest.

You may also start with legitimate websites such as http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html" . Those should have enough material at your level.

Zz.
 
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You might also check out a few college/university Web sites. Look at the course sequence that they require or recommend for their physics majors. Note the prerequisites (both math and physics) for various courses. They often also have syllabi on line that state which textbooks they use.
 
Check out MIT's OpenCourseWare:

http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/index.htm
 
michealsmith said:

Er.. did you read tmc's post?

What is with people here trying to seduce innocent minds into theoretical physics? Don't you want them to get JOBS?

:biggrin:

Zz.
 
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To start off, I would work through Serway & Jewett's Physics for Scientists & Engineers. For the math, James Stewart's Calculus 5th Edition is all you need.

After doing this, decide what branch of physics peaks your interest the most and go from there.
 
  • #12
!

Ah, I'm impressed to see such activity here. Thanks for the help, I'm checking it out now. It looks like I have quite some math to learn. :redface:Also, I found this which is going to be quite some help:
http://www.msc.uky.edu/ken/ma109/notes.htm

However, where can I find a similarily structured tutorial for calculus/differential equations and such? I would indeed like to learn how the equations are derived as I learn it. :)
 
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  • #13
You will need to master a portion of Calculus and Linear Algebra first, I think, before you move into differential equations.
 
  • #14
ultimateguy said:
To start off, I would work through Serway & Jewett's Physics for Scientists & Engineers. For the math, James Stewart's Calculus 5th Edition is all you need.

After doing this, decide what branch of physics peaks your interest the most and go from there.

Any edition of Stewart's Calculus will do.

Also, there are many other basic Calculus textbooks almost identical to Stewart's. Go for the cheaper one.
 
  • #15
gnomes

zapper i am not trying to seduce anyone ...:confused:
the things listed there is useful for both experimental and theoretical ...
especiallly the basic stuff ...when it gets more complex theo amd experi ..go there separate ways.
 

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