Submodules A + B and A intersect B .... Blyth Ch. 2

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The discussion revolves around understanding two claims from T. S. Blyth's book "Module Theory: An Approach to Linear Algebra" regarding submodules, specifically the properties of the sum of two submodules \(A + B\) and the intersection \(A \cap B\). Participants seek to rigorously prove these claims as stated in Chapter 2, focusing on their definitions and implications in module theory.

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  • Some participants propose that to show \(A + B\) is the smallest submodule containing both \(A\) and \(B\), one can consider any submodule \(K\) containing both, leading to the conclusion that \(A + B \subseteq K\).
  • Others argue that for \(A \cap B\) being the largest submodule contained in both \(A\) and \(B\), one can take any submodule \(K\) contained in both, which implies \(K \subseteq A \cap B\).
  • Several participants reiterate similar arguments for both claims, emphasizing the arbitrary nature of the chosen submodules \(K\) in their proofs.

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Participants generally agree on the reasoning provided for both claims, with multiple participants presenting similar proofs. However, there is no explicit consensus on the necessity of further clarification or additional details regarding the proofs.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions underlying the definitions of submodules, nor does it explore the implications of these properties in broader contexts.

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I am reading T. S. Blyth's book "Module Theory: An Approach to Linear Algebra" ... ... and am currently focussed on Chapter 2: Submodules; Intersections and Sums ... ...

I need help with understanding two claims that Blyth makes concerning submodules ...

The relevant text is as follows: ( see end of post for other text that may be relevant)https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/5891I have two questions concerning the above text ... ...
Question 1In the above text we read:

" ... ... We know that $$A + B$$ is the smallest submodule of $$M$$ that contains both $$A$$ and $$B$$, ... ... "My question is: how exactly do we know this ... ? How would we formally and rigorously prove this ... ?
Question 2In the above text we read:

" ... ... and that $$A \cap B$$ is the largest submodule contained in both $$A$$ and $$B$$, ... ... "
My question is: how exactly do we know this ... ? How would we formally and rigorously prove this ... ?Hope that someone can help with the above two questions ...

PeterPS Just in case readers need to reference some of Blyth's definitions or theorems in Chapter 2, I am providing the relevant text as follows:
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Hi Peter,

Peter said:
Question 1

In the above text we read:

" ... ... We know that $$A + B$$ is the smallest submodule of $$M$$ that contains both $$A$$ and $$B$$, ... ... "My question is: how exactly do we know this ... ? How would we formally and rigorously prove this ... ?
Question 2In the above text we read:

" ... ... and that $$A \cap B$$ is the largest submodule contained in both $$A$$ and $$B$$, ... ... "
My question is: how exactly do we know this ... ? How would we formally and rigorously prove this ... ?

For Question 1, let $K$ be any submodule of $M$ that contains both $A$ and $B$. Then $A\cup B\subseteq K$, so that $A+B=\langle A\cup B\rangle\subseteq \langle K\rangle =K$. Since $K$ was arbitrary, the statement follows.

For Question 2, let $K$ be any submodule contained in both $A$ and $B$. Then $K\subseteq A\cap B$ and it's known from a theorem in the text you posted that $A\cap B$ is a submodule contained in $A$ and $B.$ Since $K$ was arbitrary, the statement follows.
 
GJA said:
Hi Peter,
For Question 1, let $K$ be any submodule of $M$ that contains both $A$ and $B$. Then $A\cup B\subseteq K$, so that $A+B=\langle A\cup B\rangle\subseteq \langle K\rangle =K$. Since $K$ was arbitrary, the statement follows.

For Question 2, let $K$ be any submodule contained in both $A$ and $B$. Then $K\subseteq A\cap B$ and it's known from a theorem in the text you posted that $A\cap B$ is a submodule contained in $A$ and $B.$ Since $K$ was arbitrary, the statement follows.

Thanks GJA ... appreciate your help

Peter
 
Question 1: $A+B$ is the smallest submoduie of $M$ that contains both $A$ and $B$

Of course $A\subset A+B$ and $B\subset A+B$.
Suppose $X$ is a submodule of $M$ that contains both $A$ and $B$: $A\subset X$ and $B\subset X$.
Then $A+B\subset X$.
Thus, $X$ is larger (or equal) than $A+B$.

Question 2: $A\cap B$ is the largest submodule of $M$ contained in both $A$ and $B$

Of course $A\cap B\subset A$ and $A\cap B\subset B$
Suppose $X$ is a submodule of $M$ contained in both $A$ and $B$: $X\subset A$ and $X\subset B$.
Then $X \subset A\cap B$.
Thus, $X$ is smaller (or equal) than $A\cap B$.
 

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