Substitution in a Lebesgue integral

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The discussion revolves around the substitution in a Lebesgue integral, specifically exploring the conditions under which the equality $$\int_\limits{g([a,b])}f(x)\,d\mu_x=\int_\limits{[a,b]}f(g(t))|g'(t)|\,d\mu_t$$ holds, where ##f## is a Lebesgue summable function and ##g## is a diffeomorphism. Participants are examining the theoretical underpinnings and necessary conditions for this result, including absolute continuity and properties of the functions involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if ##g## is a diffeomorphism and satisfies certain smoothness conditions, the integral equality can be established, but they struggle to derive it from their current knowledge.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the original question, suggesting that the properties of ##g## being ##C^1## imply it maps zero measure sets to zero measure sets.
  • A different participant introduces the Henstock integral as a potentially simpler framework for achieving similar results, providing a theorem that connects Henstock and Lebesgue integrability under certain conditions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of the Henstock integral and seek clarification on specific references, indicating a gap in their understanding of the material.
  • One participant mentions that if the theorem holds for smooth functions, it can be extended to Lebesgue integrable functions due to the density of smooth functions in ##L^1[a,b]##.
  • Another participant confirms finding the relevant section in Jones's book but questions the reasoning behind the measurability of the function ##g## as presented in the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof of the integral equality. There are multiple competing views regarding the use of different integration theories (Lebesgue vs. Henstock) and the necessary conditions for the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their background knowledge, particularly regarding the Henstock integral and specific references in literature, which may affect their ability to engage fully with the discussion.

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Hi, friends! I read that, if ##f\in L^1[c,d]## is a Lebesgue summable function on ##[a,b]## and ##g:[a,b]\to[c,d]## is a differomorphism (would it be enough for ##g## to be invertible and such that ##g\in C^1[a,b]## and ##g^{-1}\in C^1[a,b]##, then $$\int_\limits{g([a,b])}f(x)\,d\mu_x=\int_\limits{[a,b]}f(g(t))|g'(t)|\,d\mu_t$$where $\mu$ is the linear Lebesgue measure.

I know that the function ##F## defined by $$F(x):=\int_\limits{[c,x]}f(\xi)\,d\mu_{\xi}$$is absolutely continuous, and that the derivative ##\varphi## of an absolutely continuous function ##\Phi:[c,d]\to\mathbb{R}##, which exists almost everywhere on ##[c,d]##, is such that $$\int_\limits{[c,d]}\varphi(\xi) \,d\mu_{\xi}=\Phi(d)-\Phi(c)$$but I cannot use these two facts alone to prove the desired result.
I do see, for ex. for a non-decreasing ##g##, that ##\frac{d}{dt}\int_\limits{[g(a),g(t)]}f(x)\,d\mu_x=F'(g(t))g'(t)## exists and is equal to ##f(g(t))g'(t)## for almost every ##g(t)## (and therefore for almost every ##t##, since I think that this implies that a homeomorphism like ##g## maps null measure sets to null measure sets), but I am not able to derived the desired identity from this.

How can it be proved? I thank you any answerer very much!
 
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Your question is a little unclear. Are you trying to prove g maps zero measure sets to zero measure sets or something else? The g property is trivially a result of g being C1.
 
mathman said:
Are you trying to prove g maps zero measure sets to zero measure sets or something else?
I am trying to prove that ##\int_\limits{g([a,b])}f(x)\,d\mu_x=\int_\limits{[a,b]}f(g(t))|g'(t)|\,d\mu_t##.
What follows in my previous posts is just an exposition of what I tried, of my background knowledge. I wrote that in order for potential answerers to know my level: I have studied only Kolmogorov-Fomin's Элементы теории функций и функционального анализа (##\approx## Introductory Real Analysys) and the absolute continuity of what I called ##F##, together with the equality ##\int_{[c,d]}\Phi'(\xi)\,d\mu_{\xi}=\Phi(d)-\Phi(c)##, are two results, which I know from that book, which I suppose to be related to the proof of what I am trying to prove: ##\int_\limits{g([a,b])}f(x)\,d\mu_x=\int_\limits{[a,b]}f(g(t))|g'(t)|\,d\mu_t##.
Thank you for your comment, mathman!
 
You can do this with Lebesgue theory, but I find the Henstock integral to give way neater and more general results of these things. Note that every Lebesgue integral is a special case of the Henstock integral.

Theorem: Let ##f:[c,d]\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## and let ##\Phi:[a,b]\rightarrow [c,d]## be continuous and strictly monotone and suppose that ##\Phi'(x)## exists for all points in ##[a,b]## except possibly countably many. Define ##\varphi(x) = \Phi'(x)## wherever defined and ##\varphi(x) = 0## on the countable set where it is not defined. Then
(a) ##f## is Henstock integrable on ##\Phi([a,b])## iff ##(f\circ \Phi)\cdot \varphi## is Henstock integrable on ##[a,b]##.
(b) ##f## is Lebesgue integrable on ##\Phi([a,b])## iff ##(f\circ \Phi)\cdot \varphi## is Lebesgue integrable on ##[a,b]##
(c) In both cases we have ##\int_{\Phi(a)}^{\Phi(b)} f = \int_a^b (f\circ \Phi)\cdot \varphi##.

Proof: Bartle, a modern theory of integration, Theorem 13.5

If you want to stay inside Lebesgue theory and choose not to use the superiority of the Henstock integral, then check out Jones "Lebesgue integration on Euclidean space" Section 16.4
 
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micromass said:
check out Jones "Lebesgue integration on Euclidean space" Section 16.4
Mmh... I have never studied the theory of the Henstock integral: just Kolmogorov-Fomin's as I said, so I think the proof you use is above my level...
As to Jones's Lebesgue integration on Euclidean space, I cannot find the exact part where it proves the desired result: what page(s)? I cannot find the 16.4 section... Thank you so much again!
 
DavideGenoa said:
Mmh... I have never studied the theory of the Henstock integral: just Kolmogorov-Fomin's as I said, so I think the proof you use is above my level...
As to Jones's Lebesgue integration on Euclidean space, I cannot find the exact part where it proves the desired result: what page(s)? I cannot find the 16.4 section... Thank you so much again!

Henstock integration is actually surprisingly simple to define. It's a lot like Riemann integration, just more general.

As for the Jones book, it is in the chapter "Differentation for functions on ##\mathbb{R}##", section "change of variables". I am using the revised edition though, maybe it's not in the original one.
 
DavideGenoa said:
sgue summable function on [a,b][a,b] and g:[a,b]→[c,d]g:[a,b]\to[c,d] is a differomorphism (would it be enough for gg to be invertible and such that g∈C1[a,b]g\in C^1[a,b] and g−1∈C1[a,b]g^{-1}\in C^1[a,b], then
∫g([a,b])f(x)dμx=∫[a,b]f(g(t))|g′(t)|dμt​
if we know this theorem for smooth ##f## then we know it for ##f\in L^1## since the space of smooth functions is dense in ##L^1[a,b]##
 
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micromass said:
As for the Jones book, it is in the chapter "Differentation for functions on ##\mathbb{R}##", section "change of variables".
Found. Section F of chapter 16. Thank you so much!
I follow the proof until it says that, since ##\phi_1\le\phi_2\le\ldots\le g\le\ldots\le\psi_2\le\psi_1##, the function ##g## is measurable. Why?
 

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