Sum and difference with radians.

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The discussion revolves around the sum and difference formulas in trigonometry, specifically focusing on the challenges of working with angles expressed in radians, such as π/7. Participants explore methods for breaking down these angles into more manageable forms and the implications of using different angular measurement systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in breaking down π/7 into a usable form for calculations, suggesting a preference for converting to degrees and back, while questioning if only angles that can be evenly divided, like 120 degrees, are applicable.
  • Another participant questions the first participant's understanding of radian measures, specifically addressing the addition of angles in radians.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of the gradian system as an alternative angular measurement, noting that calculators can switch between degrees, radians, and grads.
  • One participant clarifies that all angles are represented on the unit circle, discussing the concept of constructable angles and noting that π/7 and 100 degrees are not considered constructable angles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are differing views on the understanding of radian measures, the applicability of certain angles, and the concept of constructability in trigonometry.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion regarding the best methods for calculating trigonometric functions with non-constructable angles and the implications of using different angular measurement systems.

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I think I understand the basic ideas of the sum and difference formulas, I just don't get how to break down say, pi/7 into a form that could be worked with. I could convert it to a degree then back again once I have my answer, but that seems like a lot more work than is necessary. If it were 100 degrees I'd just find some form of 100 degrees that I knew had an angle that was on the unit circle. 100 degrees doesn't seem to work very well but you get what I'm attempting to ask here. Also, can it only work if it is an angle that can be divided evenly like 120 degrees?
 
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I don't understand your difficulty.

Are you saying that you don't understand pi/3 as a radian measure and so (1/3)pi + (1/2)pi = (5/6) pi is something in fractions you can't handle?
 
Tyrion101 said:
I think I understand the basic ideas of the sum and difference formulas, I just don't get how to break down say, pi/7 into a form that could be worked with. I could convert it to a degree then back again once I have my answer, but that seems like a lot more work than is necessary. If it were 100 degrees I'd just find some form of 100 degrees that I knew had an angle that was on the unit circle. 100 degrees doesn't seem to work very well but you get what I'm attempting to ask here. Also, can it only work if it is an angle that can be divided evenly like 120 degrees?

Well, there is an angular measurement system made for the math-challenged and civil engineers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradian

The angular unit is called the 'gon', but it also used to be known as the 'grad' or 'gradian'. There are 400 grads in one revolution of a circle, or 100 grads in a right angle.
Calculators are often equipped to calculate trig functions using angles measured in degrees, radians, or grads, usually by flipping a switch or setting a special mode.

It's still not clear what your original complaint is about. If you want to calculate sin (π/7), you put your calculator into radian mode, calculate π/7, and take the sine of that angle.
 
All angles are on the unit circle. Maybe you are talking about constructable angles? An angle m*pi/n in lowest terms is constructable if and only if the factors of n are limited to any power of 2 and Fermat primes (known ones being 3, 5, 17, 257, 65537) at most once each. In trigonometry class one tents to consider multiples of pi/15/2^k. Note that pi/ 7 and 100 degrees are not constructable.
 

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